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Ships of the Line 2015 Calendar

Christopher said:
King Daniel Into Darkness said:
I'd rather use a backstory which fits what we see... than play mental gymnastics and pretend we actually saw something different.
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I await your explanation for why Saavik felt the need to get extensive cosmetic surgery and vocal-cord reconstruction after Spock's funeral.
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A completely different situation. Deliberately keeping a design aesthetic unchanged over 225+ years of canon vs. recasting a character.
If we'd seen the K'tinga more than once in the 22nd century, then it would be justified to try to account for it. But if something is done only once and never again -- like "James R. Kirk" or just about everything "The Host" established about the Trill -- then it's probable that the creators themselves changed their minds and no longer wanted it to be part of the universe. In which case it's perfectly appropriate to treat it as a mistake and relegate it to the apocrypha pile.
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Which explains the ENT Bird of Prey and everything else I pointed out pefec-- oh, wait.

I get that you wish Klingon technology showed a clear evolution, but it doesn't. What's wrong with citing a Ishmael's backstory which actually fits what's seen?
 
Dukhat said:
Avro Arrow said:
This may have been subsequently debunked, but my understanding was that the producers' problem with the design wasn't that they didn't like the overall design or anything like that, but just that it didn't have enough windows.
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Thanks for the clarification; when I said "lights" earlier, I meant "windows."
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Oops, sorry... I wasn't trying to be a jerk and nitpick the difference between lights and windows. I had actually forgotten you said that, and was attempting to elaborate on the line in Christopher's post in the quote where he said "they didn't like the design they were offered".

But, yeah, agreed that it was a silly (almost inexplicable from my POV) decision.
 
King Daniel Into Darkness said:
SicOne said:
Corran Horn said:
Paging NX-01/Akira debate...
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Ohhhh, shit...
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IMO, they look no more alike than the Constitution and Ambassador classes do.
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It's a matter of record that the producers wanted NX-01 to be based on the Akira, for no reason I can comprehend. But to me, they're extremely different variations on the theme, no more resembling each other than a thoroughbred racehorse resembles a hippo. (NX-01 being the thoroughbred in this instance.)
 
Christopher said:
It's a matter of record that the producers wanted NX-01 to be based on the Akira, for no reason I can comprehend. But to me, they're extremely different variations on the theme, no more resembling each other than a thoroughbred racehorse resembles a hippo. (NX-01 being the thoroughbred in this instance.)
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Actually, it was confirmed by Doug Drexler that the producers originally wanted the NX-01 to be the Akira class ship. Apparently they thought that the ship, just being in the background in FC and DS9, wouldn't have been recognizable by their obviously moronic and not-nitpicky-at-all viewers, never mind that the design looked like post-TNG anyway. Doug of course knew this was ridiculous, so he took it upon himself to make changes to the design to make it look more like something from the 22nd century. That's why the ship looks so much like the Akira.
 
Since Doug posted that info freely on his public blog, I figured it was fine to repost here.
 
Dukhat said:
Apparently they thought that the ship, just being in the background in FC and DS9, wouldn't have been recognizable by their obviously moronic and not-nitpicky-at-all viewers,
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I've never understood the belief that the Akira is "just a background ship." For a ship that's not a lead ship, it's pretty prominent even before the design got usurped into the NX-01's. It's an Akira which flies by the exploding Borg cube in First Contact, which is one of the movie's signature shots. Akira class ships are displayed quite prominently on screen in a number of DS9 episodes and even a Voyager episode. It was even on the front of the box for the old Dominion War video game.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant, and I do know you're just reporting an established fact. This is just something that irritates me. The Norway class is a background ship. The Sabre class is a background ship. The Akira is not.
 
The Wormhole said:
Dukhat said:
Apparently they thought that the ship, just being in the background in FC and DS9, wouldn't have been recognizable by their obviously moronic and not-nitpicky-at-all viewers,
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I've never understood the belief that the Akira is "just a background ship." For a ship that's not a lead ship, it's pretty prominent even before the design got usurped into the NX-01's. It's an Akira which flies by the exploding Borg cube in First Contact, which is one of the movie's signature shots. Akira class ships are displayed quite prominently on screen in a number of DS9 episodes and even a Voyager episode. It was even on the front of the box for the old Dominion War video game.

Sorry, didn't mean to rant, and I do know you're just reporting an established fact. This is just something that irritates me. The Norway class is a background ship. The Sabre class is a background ship. The Akira is not.
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Yes, I completely agree with you. But I was stating what the producers of ENT believed, not what the fanbase knew. Keep in mind that these were the same people who wanted a rock band of-the-week on the ship in a pathetic effort to boost ratings with tween viewership, since their just-as-pathetic soft porn decon gel scenes weren't attracting the creepy pervert male viewership.
 
^IIRC, it wasn't the producers of the show who wanted the rock bands, it was the executives of the network. Those are two separate, often adversarial groups.
 
Huh, this is the first I've heard about shipboard rock bands. That just sounds terrible, so glad that idea never went anywhere.
 
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