Shatnertage's Mostly-1st-Time Watch Thread

[PKTrekGirl]

I just don't like the look of the TNG, DS9, and VOY uniforms. My favorites are the ENT uniforms, since they look practical and like something that would have evolved out of what people are wearing today.

The TOS uniforms are great, vintage design, too.

Well, you are still with the first DS9 uniforms right now. They are okay...but not my favorite. However, the uniforms used in the latter half of DS9,

Spoiler: Source of latter seasons DS9 uniforms

which come from First Contact

are awesome!!! My favorite uniforms in Trek, actually, with the ENT uniforms in second position.

 

[lurok]

Also prefer the latter uniforms, esp. with the badass Sisko look. And...

Spoiler: uniform

Kira looks hot in that uniform too

Is the flashback ep the one with Worf?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ Probably. That's what I imagine they are thinking about....

 

[Eyes]

Probably my least favorite Trek episode, in theory, would be a court proceeding with a flashback to an action/battle thing...

Oh... Ooooh.

I thought it was a very well done episode, so maybe there's hope.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Probably my least favorite Trek episode, in theory, would be a court proceeding with a flashback to an action/battle thing

Oh, God! Oh, God!

 

[intrinsical]

I'm not totally sure about the plotting, since I thought this was a military coup and that the Provisional Government was already against the Circle. I didn't get the feeling that there were a lot of people on the fence who would be swayed by the evidence. But that might have been me missing a plot point that was drowned out by a crying baby. It happens.

The idea that there was Cardassian influence behind the coup was enough to give the Bajorans pause.

 

[Shatnertage]

^ I get that, but part of me thinks that by this point most of the hardcore Circle supporters, like that colonel, would dismiss any evidence, no matter how convincing, as lies manufactured by the Federation and Cardassians to keep the Bajorans down. Logic and evidence isn't always what counts.

Well, I'm back with an episode that gets pretty personal. It's all about...

"Invasive Procedures"

It's actually not the best title, since there's only one procedure done during the episode, but I guess it's good enough. In general the episode felt like it was one draft away from being good--there are some neat ideas and some great acting moments, but it all doesn't quite fit together.

For example, Quark betrays everyone on the station and nearly gets Jadzia killed, but isn't punished at all (unless that happens in the next episode). You'd think something like messing with the security system and allowing hostiles to take over the station would lead, at least, to him losing his Promenade concession and probably to jail time, but not here. Though he did redeem himself, and I found that annoying whine/scream sound he did oddly amusing. How can I get that as a ringtone?

For me the coolest thing was seeing Tim Russ as a Vulcan. I guess he impressed the producers because I seem to recall that he landed another Trek role later on. Needless to say he was just about unrecognizable under the makeup.

I know this was a Dax episode, but Avery Brooks really stole the show towards the end, both when he was talking with Mareel and when he confronted Verad. In general it just felt like he was settling into his character here, and it's one of the first episodes where I think he really excelled.

So even though the overall plot had a few issues for me, overall this was a fun one to watch.

 

[Admiral Shran]

For example, Quark betrays everyone on the station and nearly gets Jadzia killed, but isn't punished at all (unless that happens in the next episode). You'd think something like messing with the security system and allowing hostiles to take over the station would lead, at least, to him losing his Promenade concession and probably to jail time, but not here.

I never thought he betrayed everyone. All he thought he was doing was taking advantage of the situation to peddle some stolen merchandise. He had no idea that they planned to kidnap everyone and nearly kill Dax. In fact, once he learns the truth, he goes out of his to right the wrong.

For me the coolest thing was seeing Tim Russ as a Vulcan.

You mean "Klingon," right?

 

[Canadave]

Though he did redeem himself, and I found that annoying whine/scream sound he did oddly amusing.

I think this is a Ferengi defence mechanism. I seem to recall that was see both Nog and Rom do it at various points as well. And it always cracks me up, too, so you're not alone.

 

[Shatnertage]

^ Oh yeah, "Klingon." I feel much better since I took my nap this afternoon.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Though he did redeem himself, and I found that annoying whine/scream sound he did oddly amusing.

I think this is a Ferengi defence mechanism. I seem to recall that was see both Nog and Rom do it at various points as well. And it always cracks me up, too, so you're not alone.

I think it's because for whatever evolutionary reason, compared to species like Klingons that have "large predator"/"apex predator" reactions, the Ferengi react more like a small predator, like a ferret or a cat.

 

[Admiral Shran]

^ Or maybe they're just evolutionarily programmed to be cowards.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

Which of course, given the evolutionary difference I'm suggesting, is exactly how such stereotypes come to be.

(That does not mean that I excuse the Ferengi for thinking that enslaving women and thinking it's OK to cheat people are good things. That part will never be excusable.)

 

[Admiral Shran]

Which of course, given the evolutionary difference I'm suggesting, is exactly how such stereotypes come to be.

I agree. Maybe they are just designed by evolution to be fierce in their own way. After all....

Spoiler: Don't know if it's a spoiler. Just being safe.

they do come from a swamp planet. Surely that would affect them on some level. Predators from a swamp would act differently from predators living on a open grassland.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

If you look at what is and is not in their diet, I think that's another hint, too. I don't recall large prey being involved.

 

[3chordboy]

hey,

just wanted to say that this thread has inspired me to re-watch DS9 too... started at the beginning of last week and am just watching The Wire at the moment. been on a bit of a mission with this absolutely loving it too!!

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ Excellent.

I should do a re-watch. I've not done a complete watch-thru, from end to end, since the DVDs came out in 2003.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ Excellent.

I should do a re-watch. I've not done a complete watch-thru, from end to end, since the DVDs came out in 2003.

 

[Shatnertage]

I'm back with an episode that's all about...

"Cardassians"

I've gotta say that's not the best title they could have come up with. But I like the episode right away, because it's got Garak in it. I remember having seen a few episodes with Garak back in the day, and I thought he was on the show much more than he was--only once in the first season. He reminds of Benjamin Linus from Lost (I know he came first), in that you know what he's saying is probably a lie, but you listen anyway. Great, great character.

So the crux of the episode is that there's an orphan problem on Bajor that Gul Dukat's only too happy to fix. I don't quite get the logic what happened (did Dukat plan the whole thing, with Rugal's family coming to the station, or did he just react quickly), but I liked that the episode was taking a deeper look at one of the consequences of the occupation.

And it had Garak.

And, as a special bonus, we have Sisko taking the piss out of Bashir twice! You can't get much better than that. And we learn that Sisko wears a flowing red robe with what looks like a purple Transformers logo on the front to bed.

Quark debuted (I think) a new jacket that looked vaguely reminiscent of a Frank Lloyd Wright stained glass pattern.

What is it with people and overly-intricate pajamas on Trek? Doesn't anyone in the future wear sweats/t-shirts to bed anymore? Since he's getting direct calls at night from foreign dignitaries, you'd think he'd want something more functional.

The other thing that stuck out about this episode is that it confirmed why I don't like Keiko very much. The character just isn't very smart. After having spent the day with Rugal, and presumably learned that even though he's Cardassian he was raised on Bajor and hates everything Cardassian, she makes him a special Cardassian meal. Plus, her husband saw action in the Cardassian War, so probably isn't so big on Cardy cuisine.

I wish Rugal had looked at the stew, looked at Keiko, and said, "Lady, you are dumber than a box of sticks."

That's what I took away from the episode. Nice to see Garak, nice to see Dukat. Good one, overall.

 

[Canadave]

I find that the episode title's get much better as the show goes on. In season one and two, they were definitely very TNG\Voyager-esque, just a simple verb or noun. They get much more literary starting in season 3, until you get to fantastic names like "In Purgatory's Shadow" and the like.

Also, I used the Ben Linus comparison as well, to illustrate to my girlfriend why I was such a big fan of Garak. He's only sporadically recurring now, but by the time you get to the end of the show, he's a borderline regular.