Not necessarily, and not even probably, especially if the majority of the focus is - as we all expect - on the new crew.
Shatner talks Trek XI on CNN.com
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Not necessarily, and not even probably, especially if the majority of the focus is - as we all expect - on the new crew.
ktanner3 said:
See, now I'm confused. ---->
Generations - Nimoy refuses to participate, feeling that his part is not substantial enough, and would constitute a glorified "cameo." Under this umbrella, you could also say "not enough lines compared to others."
How's Nimoy different again?
Nimoy only does the Spock role when he thinks the writing is clever and his character has an important function.That's why he did "Unification" and not "Generations". And I think we can all agree that he made a wise decision.All Nimoy said was that he felt his character was given a proper send off in "The Undiscovered Country" and he didn't feel the spock role as written for "Generations"was neccesary to the movie.That was it. He didn't run to the media and throw a big hissy fit by saying "Well, that was not a very wise business decision on their part by not offering me a bigger role than a cameo." It's a little something called class.
Right ...
That's one way to look at it.
OR, you could say that Nimoy didn't want to take a glorified cameo in GENERATIONS because his character didn't have a big enough part. And Shatner could JUST POSSIBLY be passionate about the iconic show and character that he helped "birth."
It's all in the spin, baby.
And excuse me if I question Nimoy's quality control when he's got such gems as "Funny About Love" with Gene Wilder - which could be accused as false advertising, by the way - and "Holy Matrimony" on his resume. And he sure cast a classy and discerning eye on quality and substance when he train-wrecked with "The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins" and the make-your-ears-bleed "If I Had A Hammer."
But hey, full circle! Shatner has shitty movies and ridiculous songs on his resume too!
Now how's Nimoy different again?
johnconner said:
And he sure cast a classy and discerning eye on quality and substance when he train-wrecked with "The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins" and the make-your-ears-bleed "If I Had A Hammer."
I am not kidding you when I say that I was listening to my iPod (currently set to "Shuffle Songs") as I was reading your post, and the song that started playing was Leonard Nimoy singing "Highly Illogical" (from the album "Mr. Spock's Music form Outer Space," of course).
He sings every song on that album while in character as Mister Spock, by the way.
Zuni Fetish Doll said:
johnconner said:
And he sure cast a classy and discerning eye on quality and substance when he train-wrecked with "The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins" and the make-your-ears-bleed "If I Had A Hammer."
I am not kidding you when I say that I was listening to my iPod (currently set to "Shuffle Songs") as I was reading your post, and the song that started playing was Leonard Nimoy singing "Highly Illogical" (from the album "Mr. Spock's Music form Outer Space," of course).
He sings every song on that album while in character as Mister Spock, by the way.
I've got a bunch of his stuff, too. Try "Gentle On My Mind."
I've run into the same thing. I've got 20GB of music on my iPod, but damned if Shatner or Nimoy doesn't cue up just about every time I shuffle!
Nimoy method-singing? "I Am Not Spock" indeed.
There are multiple complex story threads throughout Trek XI, leaving plenty of room for an appearance by Mr. Shatner. However, there is no reason at this time to assume that any appearance he may make would require substantial screen time. I advise people to wait and find out.
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ktanner3
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Right ...
That's one way to look at it.
OR, you could say that Nimoy didn't want to take a glorified cameo in GENERATIONS because his character didn't have a big enough part. And Shatner could JUST POSSIBLY be passionate about the iconic show and character that he helped "birth."
If you want to believe that twisted theory then go ahead.
It's all in the spin, baby.
Yes and you're spinning quite a yarn here.
And excuse me if I question Nimoy's quality control when he's got such gems as "Funny About Love" with Gene Wilder - which could be accused as false advertising, by the way - and "Holy Matrimony" on his resume. And he sure cast a classy and discerning eye on quality and substance when he train-wrecked with "The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins" and the make-your-ears-bleed "If I Had A Hammer."
But hey, full circle! Shatner has shitty movies and ridiculous songs on his resume too!
And this all has what to do with the topic?
Now how's Nimoy different again?
I already answered your question so I guess you're going to have to stay confused.
ktanner3 said:
Right ...
That's one way to look at it.
OR, you could say that Nimoy didn't want to take a glorified cameo in GENERATIONS because his character didn't have a big enough part. And Shatner could JUST POSSIBLY be passionate about the iconic show and character that he helped "birth."
If you want to believe that twisted theory then go ahead.
Oh, it's not a theory, it's a fact as far as we know. Go ahead, disprove it if you can.
Better than your emotionally-driven version of Shatner being the devil. Evil Shatner! Couldn't possibly have any reason other than him being a dick! Bastard!
It's all in the spin, baby.
Yes and you're spinning quite a yarn here.
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But try as I might, I just can't spin near as fast as you. It's a cross I'll have to bear.
And excuse me if I question Nimoy's quality control when he's got such gems as "Funny About Love" with Gene Wilder - which could be accused as false advertising, by the way - and "Holy Matrimony" on his resume. And he sure cast a classy and discerning eye on quality and substance when he train-wrecked with "The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins" and the make-your-ears-bleed "If I Had A Hammer."
But hey, full circle! Shatner has shitty movies and ridiculous songs on his resume too!
And this all has what to do with the topic?
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Everything. You insist Nimoy made his decision to stay out of GENERATIONS out of some high and mighty noble conviction of only accepting quality and substance in his work.
I just showed the holes in your theory. And I also showed that Nimoy doesn't continually exhibit class. Unless you equate "Proud Mary keep on boinin'!" as being rife with class; in which case, I'd have to say that it's you who's looking at Nimoy through rose-colored glasses.
Now how's Nimoy different again?
I already answered your question so I guess you're going to have to stay confused.
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You did? Did you use invisotext? Because all I saw were weak justifications based on your own suppositions and fanboyish conclusions about Nimoy. Little phrases like, "All Nimoy did was ..." as if he's not remotely comparable to Shatner.
To which I say "Oh. Yes. He. Is."
You can't just SAY Nimoy has more class just because he pulls the same shenanigans farther under the radar than Shatner.
You believe it, fine. But that's not necessarily a reflection of reality.
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ktanner3
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Want reality? Here you go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot3OpPIirQU
That's the last time you'll ever see Shatner as Kirk. Savor the moment. :thumbsup:
^^You know what they say about when you "assume" ...
Look, I love Shatner AND Nimoy. Always have, pretty much equally. But I've always been a McCoy man, myself. Don't assume just because I'm arguing this point that I'm blinded by love of Shatner.
I think it's pretty obvious judging from my posts that I think Shatner can be shallow and pretentious. But I also think Nimoy is just as much a diva, just not as apparent about it.
And so, my point: you can't use Nimoy as a weapon in your little vendetta against Shatner being a diva. At least not without giving up a fair amount of credibility.
Also, it's curious that you never responded to any of my points. I guess they must've been airtight.
Look, I love Shatner AND Nimoy. Always have, pretty much equally. But I've always been a McCoy man, myself. Don't assume just because I'm arguing this point that I'm blinded by love of Shatner.
I think it's pretty obvious judging from my posts that I think Shatner can be shallow and pretentious. But I also think Nimoy is just as much a diva, just not as apparent about it.
And so, my point: you can't use Nimoy as a weapon in your little vendetta against Shatner being a diva. At least not without giving up a fair amount of credibility.
Also, it's curious that you never responded to any of my points. I guess they must've been airtight.
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Don't assume that because I talk about Nimoy that I'm blinded by love for Nimoy. To me their all just actors and nothing more.
Then you agree with me on Shatner? Good. I disagree with your view on Nimoy, but I guess we can't always agree on everything. :thumbsup:
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Nice try, but I agree only that sometimes Shatner SEEMS shallow and pretentious.
But I do not agree that he's an intentional dick, that he's trying to wreck the new movie, that the film would be better WITHOUT him, etc.
You're on your own there.
Nice try, but I agree only that sometimes Shatner SEEMS shallow and pretentious.
But I do not agree that he's an intentional dick, that he's trying to wreck the new movie, that the film would be better WITHOUT him, etc.
You're on your own there.
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johnconner said:
^^^^^
Nice try, but I agree only that sometimes Shatner SEEMS shallow and pretentious.
But I do not agree that he's an intentional dick, that he's trying to wreck the new movie, that the film would be better WITHOUT him, etc.
You're on your own there.
Nice try. But I never said that he was trying to wreck the movie. I said that he isn't doing it because they can't offer him anything bigger than a cameo and that he isn't the big draw that he think he is.
Ah Shatner, you're doing so well as Denny Crane, don't try and turn yourself into a David Caruso
You know this whole "will he", "won't he" be in the movie has been so public I wonder if this is part of getting free publicity for the movie.
Really.
Paramount knows the franchise needs some new life. What if all this public discussion of Shatners involvement is all for show. With Shatner having won an Emmy and being on another top show its good for business to draw in those now interested in Shatner who weren't before. Maybe those people might now be interested in seeing him in a role they once associated with only the "geeks".
Shatner already has a part, this is for show.
Wild speculation, but I'm going with it.
Really.
Paramount knows the franchise needs some new life. What if all this public discussion of Shatners involvement is all for show. With Shatner having won an Emmy and being on another top show its good for business to draw in those now interested in Shatner who weren't before. Maybe those people might now be interested in seeing him in a role they once associated with only the "geeks".
Shatner already has a part, this is for show.
Wild speculation, but I'm going with it.
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