Shatner talks Trek XI on CNN.com

[ktanner3]

Kegek`s Corpse said:
I admit the Shatner-hate baffles me a bit. A few months ago wasn't there a sizeable faction insisting that Shatner had to be in the film?

Not by the same faction it wasn't. The people right now who are twisting this into "This is all a cover up" are the ones who think the movie HAS to have shatner. Much of the Shat-hate has more to do with interviews from fellow cast members,from his own mouth and even by people who had the misfortune of meeting him in person.The guy is a big time dick. So forgive some of us for not wanting to pay money to see him.

And even assuming this trend has dissipated and died a slow death, so what if Shatner's whining about not being in the movie? Because if he's right, he's not in the movie and it affects nothing. And if he's wrong, he's in the movie and it still affects nothing. (His performance and how his appearance is handled would be key).

Because this isn't the first time he's made this ridiculouos claim that he is a big time draw. When Wrath of Kahn came out he attributed it's success to him because "I knew there was a big audience waiting to see me." Give me a break. The guy is one of the worst actors ever and without Star Trek he wouldn't be shit right now.

Can't we direct our hatred at the people who, even now, are making decisions about the film? Much more productive bashing, I assure you. Look at Star Wars fans: They direct all their hate squarely at Lucas.

That's a whole different topic that needs its own web site because the fans of that series have some legitimate beefs. I just can't stand hollywood types who have an overblown sense of ego and treat their fellow workers like shit.

 

[MattJC]

ktanner3 said:
The people right now who are twisting this into "This is all a cover up" are the ones who think the movie HAS to have shatner.

I am one of those who could care less if Shatner or Nimoy are in the movie or not who also believes this stuff with Shatner complaing is nothing more then a PR stunt.

 

[Dr. Chandra]

Kegek`s Corpse said:
I admit the Shatner-hate baffles me a bit. A few months ago wasn't there a sizeable faction insisting that Shatner had to be in the film?

Yeah, as time passes with no sign of Shatner being cast, those folks are jumping ship to stay on the winning team.

 

[Kegek]

ktanner3 said:
Much of the Shat-hate has more to do with interviews from fellow cast members,from his own mouth and even by people who had the misfortune of meeting him in person.The guy is a big time dick.

This is news... how? We've known that for years. And we love him anyway. Who he is offstage is beside the point - it's who he is when the camera's rolling: Captain Kirk, the chivalrous space hero.

The guy is one of the worst actors ever and without Star Trek he wouldn't be shit right now.

Aw, heck. He's not Henry Fonda, he's not even Leonard Nimoy, but he's not that bad.

That's a whole different topic that needs its own web site because the fans of that series have some legitimate beefs. I just can't stand hollywood types who have an overblown sense of ego and treat their fellow workers like shit.

Right, but my point was that what Abrams says is important. What Shatner says is not. If one's got to hate someone, hate the boss, not the outsider.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

^ I don't know...I think 'chivalrous' might be overstating it a bit.

Or did you mean 'lecherous'?

 

[Kegek]

Can't he be both?

I really meant 'chivalrous' in the sense of being a heroic knight, not in his treatment of women.

 

[ktanner3]

Right, but my point was that what Abrams says is important. What Shatner says is not. If one's got to hate someone, hate the boss, not the outsider.

I agree with whose important. Shatner stopped being important decades ago,and thas was only in Trek world. And I don't hate Abrams for not offering Shatner anything above a cameo role. To me that WAS a smart business decision. :thumbsup: Keep the focus on the new cast, don't have Shatner bogging down the story and not letting the new cast establish itself. To me that was one the biggest reasons for why Generations failed.

 

[Kegek]

Actually, I think one of the problems with Generations was it's largely cursory interest in Shatner - he shows up to die at the very beginning of the movie, then comes back at the end to die again. If it was going to be Kirk's last journey, he deserved to be more important to the film somehow. Frankly they shouldn't have done the TNG film right after the show ended - they should have waited a year, premiered right away with the Ent-E, and not included the TOS cast (as TUC was a good sendoff). But that's just me...

 

[Jon1701]

I've stated this earlier in this thread, but I feel a need to restate it :

William Shatner is not a box office draw. You could probably get a much bigger star for the money he's asking for. Plus, they'd have to rewrite the script to accomodate him.

The figures just dont add up.

It would have been nice, but I just cannot see it.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

jon1701 said:
I've stated this earlier in this thread, but I feel a need to restate it :

William Shatner is not a box office draw.

Well, if you've stated it (especially if you've stated it twice) then I guess we're done here.

Mods, please close this thread.

 

[ktanner3]

Kegek`s Corpse said:
Actually, I think one of the problems with Generations was it's largely cursory interest in Shatner - he shows up to die at the very beginning of the movie, then comes back at the end to die again. If it was going to be Kirk's last journey, he deserved to be more important to the film somehow. Frankly they shouldn't have done the TNG film right after the show ended - they should have waited a year, premiered right away with the Ent-E, and not included the TOS cast (as TUC was a good sendoff). But that's just me...

I agree they rushed Generations too soon. In fact, even Berman agreed that too much was going on with the Star Trek franchise in the mid 1990s that it became overkill. I agree with Leanord Nimoy that the old cast was given a proper farewell in "The undiscovered country" and completely understand why him and Deforest Kelley chose not to do it.

 

[mrinfofinder]

I think shatner (kirk) has done a great job with the media

 

[Jon1701]

Zuni Fetish Doll said:

jon1701 said:
I've stated this earlier in this thread, but I feel a need to restate it :

William Shatner is not a box office draw.

Well, if you've stated it (especially if you've stated it twice) then I guess we're done here.

Mods, please close this thread.

I was going to stamp my foot, but it doesnt translate too well on the interweb.

 

[Superman]

Professor Powderpuff said:
^^^ I agree, but I think Shatner comes off looking worse than everyone else. I mean come on... the man is well into his seventies and yet still manages to find himself on a hit TV show with a couple of Emmys under his belt to boot. This only makes Shatner's Jovian-sized ego seem all the more gargantuan.

Bill. PLEASE. We love you. We adore you. You will always be James T. Kirk to countless millions of your fans. But enough is enough. Let. It. Go.

Oh, please. The man has mellowed over the last few years.

This ego you're referring to is non-existent. In the article, Shatner simply states he wishes he could've been involved and he makes a very objective and valid point: his name being attached to this film in any way would have assured seats in theaters.

And the rest of you sicken me. You've all given it to the petty, pitiful trend of Shatner-bashing. You're worse than those who bash Michael Bay because he's not trying to be Shamalayan or Spielberg or Cameron.

Pathetic. Cut Shatner some slack.

And I stand by my signature on this whole issue. No Shatner, no new Trek for me.

Z\S/

 

[Jon1701]

^Just because we dont rabidly demand Shatner in the movie doesnt mean we are Shatner-bashing.

At this point, most of us couldnt give a shit either way. I think you'll find that most trek fans fit into the "would have been nice, but it doesnt look like its going to happen" category. No point in being a martyr over this thing.

Frankly, I'm staring to get more annoyed by fans who seem to look down their noses on the rest of us for not "boycotting" this movie.

 

[Superman]

^^^To be fair, I'm not boycotting this film.

It just has yet to really impress me. Quinto was a good casting as Spock aesthetically, but the rest of the cast isn't ringing my bells.

Haven't seen any designs or heard anything about the story that would lead me to get hyped up over this film.

Nimoy's involvement is encouraging, but frankly, I think the man just wants one more shot at the spotlight.

If they get Shatner on board, then I'll be excited.

Z\S/

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Zombie Superman said:

Nimoy's involvement is encouraging, but frankly, I think the man just wants one more shot at the spotlight.

If they get Shatner on board, then I'll be excited.

So in your universe, of the two, *Nimoy* is the bigger media whore???

Wow.

 

[johnconner]

^I think he means that Nimoy shouldn't get a free pass if you're gonna nail Shatner to the wall over "one last shot at the spotlight."

 

[Borgminister]

To be fair, Shatner and Nimoy have divergent personalities which compel them to seek out publicity in different ways.

But both enjoy the spotlight in their own ways. Otherwise, Nimoy wouldn't do interviews or continue to associate his name with Spock.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

johnconner said:
^I think he means that Nimoy shouldn't get a free pass if you're gonna nail Shatner to the wall over "one last shot at the spotlight."

But I don't think that over the years, Nimoy has been nearly the media whore that Shatner has been. From where I sit, it looks like Nimoy has done projects that meant something personally to him - whether they be selected Trek-related projects (like the project with DeLancie), or projects having to do with his faith (specifically, his NPR project on Judiasm).

Meanwhile, Shatner the Ham-ander in Chief has rarely passed up an opportunity in the spotlight - even if it meant making a complete idiot of himself.

I'm by no means saying that Nimoy has shunned the spotlight...but there is no denying that he has been WAY more discriminating about it than has Shatner.

And so, fankly, I don't think Shatner DESERVES any sort of free pass on this. Nimoy, alot more so.

Not to mention the fact that at last count...Spock was alive...while Kirk was dead.