Shatner: "I hope that movie bombs"

[CaptainStoner]

Shatner is hilarious. May he live long and prosper. And put out another album.

 

[starburst]

Cary L. Brown said:

starburst said:

North Pole-aris said:

MattJC said:
Yes, the truth is most people on this board are ready to kiss Abrams' ass.

Actually, I just have no reason to think he's doing a bad job - and no one criticizing him has provided any persuasive reasoning or evidence to the contrary.

from what I read most of the people who say things like that believe if hes doing anything differently than Rodenberry originally intended then hes making a bad movie.

That's not really accurate. There are some "Church of the Most High Roddenberry" worshipers here, but most aren't that way.

It's a FICTION that Roddenberry was responsible for everything in Star Trek (one that he created, largely, on his own, and largely intentionally at that). The PRODUCTIOn was very much a team effort, and I personally associate Gene Coon, not Gene Roddenberry, with the "best of Star Trek," though I give lots of credit to all the other folks involved too.

So, to say "if you question Roddenberry it's a bad movie" really is a misstatement.

I'd say that a better statement would be "if the movie overtly contradicts material that was established by the ORIGINAL TOS PRODUCTION TEAM, that's going to be a problem for the movie."

Key phrases there, which you overlooked, are "PRODUCTION TEAM" (rather than "Roddenberry") and "overtly contradicts."

It's VERY EASY to make a 2-hour movie that does not overtly contradict anything previously established. You'd really have to be remarkably sloppy, or set out to INTENTIONALLY do so, in order to overtly contradict things that have been seen before in such a short timeframe.

An example of this in TNG-era terms would be for "Nemesis" to have determined that Data was built by Dr. Roger Corby, or that he was built in a factory on the planet Delta Nine, or something like that. It would have required EXTRA EFFORT to say something like that, which would overtly contradict the previously established "facts" of Data's creation.

They didn't overtly tell us, in the film, what a "Soong-type android" is. So, someone who'd never seen the TV shows concerning that might conclude that was a model identifier or a planet of origin. And that's FINE. There's no need to tell that sort of detail in a 2-hour movie!

Does this make sense to you?

All the "TOS Fans" are saying is that the production team needs to avoid doing anything stupid like that.

It's far less "worshipful" and far less stringent than your post would make it appear, I think.

I must be letting the few taint what i think of the many (imagin in a Vulcan monotone )

To be truthful I think its important to grasp the sence of the Rodenberry (and the rest of the team) era...

I guess Im one of the people who is more interested in having characters who I can believe are the same Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty ect no matter small differences in mannerisms and changes to costumes and sets

Then again I actually think that it is one of the most important parts to take from his/their vision

 

[evilalienbraga]

Not sure why people are getting so upset over this. I suspect it's a joke. Even if it isn't, well it's no big surprise -actors have BIG EGOS. Shatner especially has a big ego. So what? At least he's honest that he wants the film to bomb without him! He may have been misquoted also. Never trust the press. But I don't particularly care he said it - as a Next Genner I don't really care much about the Shat anyway.

 

[A beaker full of death]

How is "SUNSHINE" a reliable source?

 

[Stormrage]

Why does he care if he isn't in the film? Isn't he earning a lot of money. Besides I thought he hated being associated with Star Trek.

 

[Woulfe]

^ His hate was during reruns of the series ^

He didn't get to see a dime of any of that while Paramount was makeing money hand over fist.

He was only make money off of appering at Conventions, just like the rest of them.

He changed his tune after doing The Films of course.

 

[Phantassm]

steveman said:
A stupid thing to say, certainly. But part of me feels that he isn't being that serious. If pressed, I'd say he was just making a joke, poking fun at the very thing people accuse him of being: bitter.

...My thoughts exactly. Why do so many people WANT him to of have MEANT it?

 

[igrokbok]

^^^

Because, for some inexplicable reason, many can't stand him...be it for his ego, or his weight, or his popularity or maybe their favorite bit-player said he stole all their lines. Wwhatever the reason, they seem to take it personally.

So, IF he really did say it, then, in their minds, they believe it somehow validates their hatred for the man.


Of course, those doing the "hating" will say otherwise.

 

[starburst]

Probably for similar reasons to the people who want him to have been joking, their own opinions on the man that some people hate and some people love.

I like Shatner and I like Kirk, I would like it to be a joke but can see him meaning it at the same time...either way time to move on no reason to dwell untill we next hear him comment on this or other Trek projects

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't hate Shatner. I think he is a great actor. And I would dearly love to hear that this was a joke - if we later learn that it was, I will consider the matter solved. I just don't see why I should automatically assume it was a joke. I don't care if he likes to tell jokes a lot; each time must be evaluated individually.

 

[Woulfe]

The problem is we don't know which Shatner we're dealing with when he said this....

1. Old Shatner ( the one whith the huge EGO claming to the world that he and he alone is Star Trek )

2. New Shatner ( the one who makes fun of his old self )

If was Old Shatner we could call it like we see it.

If was New Shatner we could laugh it off along with him.

 

[Opus]

Phantassm said:

steveman said:
A stupid thing to say, certainly. But part of me feels that he isn't being that serious. If pressed, I'd say he was just making a joke, poking fun at the very thing people accuse him of being: bitter.

...My thoughts exactly. Why do so many people WANT him to of have MEANT it?

For the same reason they thought he was serious during the "get a life!" skit on SNL: That he ACTUALLY takes all this Star Trwek stuff as seriously as the fans do...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Woulfe said:
The problem is we don't know which Shatner we're dealing with when he said this....

1. Old Shatner ( the one whith the huge EGO claming to the world that he and he alone is Star Trek )

2. New Shatner ( the one who makes fun of his old self )

If was Old Shatner we could call it like we see it.

If was New Shatner we could laugh it off along with him.

There's a New Shatner?

 

[Balthier the Great]

Kryton Kryngle said:
While I was in the shower this morning, lathering, rinsing and repeating with the shampoo, I came up with a Dimestore Psychology look at "The Shat". He is the sum of his characters.

.ID..........EGO............SUPEREGO
Kirk....Shatner911....Denny Crane

Kirk is smooth and confident, generally a thinking man who usually maintains a feckless composure even in the worst of dire situations.

Denny Crane is confident, but not smooth. Crane is seldom a thinking man but a knee-jerk reactionary who often says and does outrageous things, much to the chagrin of those around him.

Shatner911 is William Shatner. Serious and sober when he needs/wants to be, capable of whimsy and about as genuine as the public Shatner gets.

Now Kirk and Shatner911 meet somewhere in the middle to form TJ Hooker, while Crane and Shatner911 meet to balance roles in Airplane 2, Miss Congeniality, Showtime, et.al. Somewhere between the broadest and the most centered.

Likewise Kirk has elements of Denny Crane in him sometimes - A Piece of the Action, The Trouble With Tribbles, and TVH for example; and Denny Crane can summon up the courage and conviction of Kirk...and both share unrepentent pasts with numerous women.

SO...the point of this is, IF this statement was made, it was made somewhere on the scale between Shatner911 and Denny Crane, probably closer to the DC side.

Just as the characters come from the man, there is (IMO) much of the man in each of the characters as well.

God that was an odd post. In fact, I was so involved in putting the theory together while showering, I couldn't remember if I REPEATED after lathering and rinsing so I probably ended up doing it twice. But GEE my hair smells terrific!

So Shatner like everybody else is a complicated human. Man and I thought he was lovingly crafted in the Trek factory as a Kirkbot!

Of course he complicated. And I bet that he watches sports like most American males, and probably plays golf.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Shatner says outrageous things because it amuses him to do so. As to the response those comments engender, I doubt he gives a fuck.

Sometimes he's joking. Sometimes he's serious. Most times it's a little of both. Again, he's amusing himself.

Did he get a laugh? Did people shriek in horror? Both? Great! All in a day's work.

And as to those offended? Who cares? Get over it. "Get a life."

Naturally, I admire that in a person. :thumbsup:

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

North Pole-aris said:
I'm just trippin' at how determined people are to force an interpretation that makes them comfortable on the rest of the world as if it were a fact.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

As it is also the reason you started this thread.

As it is also the reason you are so sure Shatner is being serious.

 

[misskim86]

Shatner is just angry that the new movie isn't about how the Borg and the Romulans revive Kirk

 

[Jack Bauer]

I ten to think Shat isn't that petty so for now I'll assume it's a joke.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Santa T. Claus said:

North Pole-aris said:
I'm just trippin' at how determined people are to force an interpretation that makes them comfortable on the rest of the world as if it were a fact.

Which is exactly what you are doing.

As it is also the reason you started this thread.

As it is also the reason you are so sure Shatner is being serious.

Nah. My "comfort level" isn't being challenged here.

 

[Stormrage]

Woulfe said:
^ His hate was during reruns of the series ^

He didn't get to see a dime of any of that while Paramount was makeing money hand over fist.

He was only make money off of appering at Conventions, just like the rest of them.

He changed his tune after doing The Films of course.

Oh. Well that seems reasonable. But he doesn't have to be on this film. He has enough money.