Shat out / Nimoy in?

[Procutus]

Well, assuming that Nimoy's involvement is in a 'bookend' to the story, I'm guessing it will be set in the late 24th century, as it wouldn't make a lot of sense to have Spock appear older than he did in the TNG ep 'Unification'.

That's my guess, but I guess the bookend could be set a decade or so after Kirk's disappearance on the E-B.

 

[SeamusShameless]

I'm glad Nimoy approves of the script. That's the best news so far. I'm not too sure he should appear as Spock, just because I'd prefer the movie not have 24th century bookends. I think if they're setting the movie in the 23rd century they should stick to it. But if Nimoy likes it, it has to be good.

 

[Procutus]

^

I agree that having Nimoy's approval is a good thing, not to mention that to me, it indicates that this story is indeed to be part of the established continuity and not a reboot.

At least I hope it's not a reboot. I like the idea of seeing the first mission, and I'm hoping that's what we'll get.

 

[Lord Garth]

UWC Defiance said:
La de da, life goes on...

...as the Internet prepares to go into meltdown.

If this qualifies as a "meltdown" bring them on. This is the kind of meltdown I like. I can skim through threads, do nothing, and hope I didn't jinx myself.

 

[Kurgan]

To be honest, as far as i'm concerned al my fellow so called "life-long Trek fans" that "hope the movie will bomb worse than Nemesis" just because Shatner is not in the movie, can go screw.The movie is supposably being narrated by a very old Spock which fits Nimoy in PERFECTLY if that is indeed the way things are goign to go.Have any of you seen Shat lately?Shat is currently a rather plump gent with a red rose face and a rather thin looking toupee.Unless the completely remade him with CG there's no way they could have him appear as Kirk(nm the fact that Kirk has likely been dead for some time in the canon Trek universe)without turning the movie into a laughing stock.Imo using an older Spock in whatever way is a great idea.It's a way to have the movie appeal to a good deal of older Trek fans, while having the main story take place with a new and younger cast that will stand a good chance at appealing to potential new Trek fans and misc movie goers that walk in off the street and want to see a Trek movie they can get into without having to have a 40 year knowledge of the franchise

The new Trek film isn't going to make everyone happy.I'm so sick of the small and vocal group of supposed Trek fans that always bitch and can NEVER be made happy, that i'm starting to hope that they do boycott the new film and stay away because Trek really doesn't need "fans" like them.As a matter of fact maybe they ought to stick with whatever little part of older Trek made them somewhat happy and let the franchise try and renew itself without having to consider what "Niche Trek fans" think at all.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Lord Garth said:

UWC Defiance said:
La de da, life goes on...

...as the Internet prepares to go into meltdown.

If this qualifies as a "meltdown" bring them on.

Nope, this is the preparation for meltdown. See quoted text.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Kurgan said:
To be honest, as far as i'm concerned al my fellow so called "life-long Trek fans" that "hope the movie will bomb worse than Nemesis" just because Shatner is not in the movie, can go screw.

Ah, but can they? That's really the question.

 

[ancient]

so many trek fans have a glass is half empty view.

No, I think it’s just a small number of very persistent whiners.

Plus it sometimes seems we do nothing but complain because, well, that's what the internet is for. Most of the crap we talk about even we don't really take that seriously. Also, fanboys seem to annoy certain people, which is awesome.

As for this Shat-Nimoy thing...I fail to see what's so huge about it.

 

[Beyerstein]

Since Shatner has made it pretty public that he wants to be involved, it seems like it would be pretty stupid of them not to use him somehow.

If its really true that Shatner's not in and Nimoy is you dudes might have to admit that that's kindof a blunder.
Especially since it seems like they would both be best utilized onscreen together

 

[Sharr Khan]

Beyerstein said:
Since Shatner has made it pretty public that he wants to be involved, it seems like it would be pretty stupid of them not to use him somehow.

If its really true that Shatner's not in and Nimoy is you dudes might have to admit that that's kindof a blunder.
Especially since it seems like they would both be best utilized onscreen together

Well its not a blunder if this decision serves the story they're going to tell. And who knows before all is said and done Shatner might end up on screen.

But if having Nimoy as the vehicle from which to draw the viewer in works for telling the story of the movie so be it. Its not a blunder but an artistic choice.

Sharr

 

[Beyerstein]

yeah but even if that works and the movies good there's still kinda damage from the public knowledge that 'shatner wanted in and was denied and they still let nimoy' thing.

 

[The Wormhole]

CaptainJon said:
I've been reading the responses on this board and also another Trek board, and I have to be honest; in some ways, it's a bit embarrassing to be a Trek fan right now.

I don't know, I'd say so far everyone is reacting pretty rationally to the news related to Trek XI. If you consider this stuff embarassing, you should have been here when Enterprise was in production. When the first rumours of the Borg episode were leaked, one guy claimed to have thrown a brick at his television.

Of course, personally, I don't think we'll get into embarassing behaviour until the younger Kirk is cast. Although I'm not the biggest Bond fan, I found the Daniel Craig bashing from last year shameful, and I have a thick skin for internet related fandom ravings. I fear that when young Kirk is announced that, Trek fans bashing him will out do Bond fans bashing Craig.

 

[ancient]

Well, if Shat is out, it's for a good reason which will become clear when we see the film. Obviously they aren't doing this on a whim.

[JINX]

 

[Sharr Khan]

Beyerstein said:
yeah but even if that works and the movies good there's still kinda damage from the public knowledge that 'shatner wanted in and was denied and they still let nimoy' thing.

Man... I just don't know how to deal with this, its like... err... there won't be "damage" if the movie works, sells tickets and is artistically good...

Shatner didn't seem to mind though I know the cult that surrounds him is gonna have a breakdown.

Sharr

 

[Beyerstein]

The precedent for bond being recast came very early on. It's not the same as Kirk at all.

Shatner is Kirk.

 

[Zachary Smith]

If Shatner does NOT appear as Kirk, especialloy if Nimoy DOES appear as Spock, I will be . . . disappointed . . .

This is likely the last chance to repair the atrocity that was "Star Trek: Generations" and that abysmal "death" of Kirk.

Fix it.

FIX it!

FIX IT!!!!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Beyerstein said:
The precedent for bond being recast came very early on. It's not the same as Kirk at all.

Shatner is Kirk.

No he's not... not this again... Kirk isn't a real person he's an idea, a work of fiction and if he's a good work of fiction any competent actor can play him.

And Kirk's not coming back to life, unless its set in an earlier time period and with a different actor. Sooner or later people are going to have to come to grips with this.

Sharr

 

[Beyerstein]

Sharr Khan said:
Sooner or later people are going to have to come to grips with this.

No they don't. You have no guarantee anyone but Shatner will ever be accepted as Kirk.

It's a pretty controversial recasting and Trek XI could easily be a critical and commercial failure renounced by most.

 

[Lord Garth]

UWC Defiance said:

Lord Garth said:

UWC Defiance said:
La de da, life goes on...

...as the Internet prepares to go into meltdown.

If this qualifies as a "meltdown" bring them on.

Nope, this is the preparation for meltdown. See quoted text.

We'll see.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Beyerstein said:

Sharr Khan said:
Sooner or later people are going to have to come to grips with this.

No they don't. You have no guarantee anyone but Shatner will ever be accepted as Kirk.

It's a pretty controversial recasting and Trek XI could easily be a critical and commercial failure renounced by most.

It could be or not... right now I'm leaning toward it not being a failure. For the moment I'll take Nimoy's considered opinion, if only via Shatner over yours about the state this film is and will be in.

But you cannot declare Kirk can only ever be played by Shatner. That's not how fiction works, and there is ample proof that it can be done has been done and will continue to be done in the future. Kirk is not so complex a role that it cannot be taken up by another and we do know that it will be taken up by another. Leonard Nimoy had it exactly correct when he said "I am not Spock".

Sharr