Seinfeld was a pretty successful show. Could be a lot worse.
But you forgot scheming. Lots and lots of scheming. More like The Sopranos with superpowers.
Shake Up With Heroes - Loeb OUT!
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Seinfeld was a pretty successful show. Could be a lot worse.
But you forgot scheming. Lots and lots of scheming. More like The Sopranos with superpowers.
Why do you think I refer to DC's repeated use of the term as "Not Another F***ing Crisis" ?
Peter's going to end up in the dustbin of lost plots with the virus and Caitlin.
I am one of those who has been growing increasingly disgusted/bored with Heroes. It's turned into a show rather like Lost, IMHO... always twisting and turning in bizzare ways but never going anywhere satisfying. The characters are far too ambiguous so you never know who to root for or against. Could it be, perhaps, that the audience in general has finally gotten fed up with all the angst and darkness and are looking for some well-drawn, consistent characters and plots that lead somewhere in a logical fashion and finally reach a satisfying climax?
Seinfeld was a pretty successful show. Could be a lot worse.
But you forgot scheming. Lots and lots of scheming. More like The Sopranos with superpowers.
Seinfeld with powers = ITV's No Heroics.
That's Mark Millar's Wanted.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Yes, absolutely.
But I still think Lost is pretty awesome. Maybe it's just because I watched the whole thing on DVD in quick succession, but I always had the sense that they were going somewhere specific. I could definitely see how you would be annoyed with it, however, if you watched it week-to-week.
Why don't HBO or Showtime tackle sci fi!?!
How about a sci fi variation on Dexter - not necessarily the premise but something with that sensibility and style.
Or, who knows, that may be where Heroes is going with Sylar. 
If they can get Fuller back, I have some hope that Peter will actually grow into the character he has the potential to be because he's lost his powers for a while and a writer like Fuller will know what to do with that. Without Fuller, I'm not sure what use it is.
Watching it week-to-week, you have to love the characters in order to keep the faith because it was a real leap of faith that the writers were going anywhere at all. (As of S4, I think they definitely are.)
If anybody is interested in the concept of super-powers in the real world done without the restrictions of a TV Network, you should check out the Wild Cards series of books. I'm pretty sure they're all still in print, but there's a couple of recent volumes in any case.
There's also a cool book called Super-Folks, which is more satirical and has a nice 70s vibe (since it was written in the 70s).
There's also a cool book called Super-Folks, which is more satirical and has a nice 70s vibe (since it was written in the 70s).
And some others.
Total Recall 2070
Jeremiah
Odyssey 5
and even Lexx started out on Showtime.
That's a bit long in the tooth, but it's worth remembering that the Showtime years were SG-1's best.
That's a new one, never heard of it. Judging from the slams it's getting on Netflix comments section, I won't be bothering to check it out.
Wow, those were on premium cable? That's evidence that being on premium cable is no guarantee of results that are any better than average for network TV standards.
Okay, forget I said anything. Premium cable TV has a pretty terrible sci fi track record.
Certainly no better than network TV has achieved and since there have been precisely zero outstanding sci fi series coming out of premium cable. Just a lot of mediocre-to-crappy stuff. (I'm not counting The Outer Limits because I'm not interested in shows in the anthology format.)Wait, I'm forgetting the obvious: Carnivale. That's the closest to a really great sf series on premium cable (if you use a generous definition of sf). But even then, it takes a lot of patience to get past the messy, semi-incoherent storytelling.
Premium cable should forget their dismal past and use the examples of their best shows like The Sopranos and Dexter as templates for all genres, including sci fi. Don't just do shows that use standard unimaginative network-TV storytelling formats.
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I've never seen Sopranos, and the idea of a Mafioso going to a shrink causes suspension of disbelief problems. But as far as format goes---Dexter is not open-ended serialization but even so, it is too soon to be sure that the series won't end disastrously as BSG or Lost---whoops, that's anticipating. Uh, as disastrously as St. Elsewhere or Wiseguy or Roseanne or X-Files. And the unreliable narrator, which is probably Dexter's real narrative originality, is just uncommon. I can't see it being fashionable.
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