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Shake Up With Heroes - Loeb OUT!

They, with the possible exception of Noah to some degree, were not really built for in depth characterization or to last over seasons.


I would also add that Mohinder, before he went all Seth Brundle/mad scientist like, had the potential to ladt a few seasons. He had a more sympathetic, yet limted, understanding of what the supers were going through. He could have been just as good, if not better, character than HRG.
 
Hey, there's nothing wrong with Urkel, Fonzie and Boba Fett! In fact, they're going to be the main characters in our fan-made Star Trek movie to counter the abortion that is JJ Abram's film. Our movie will be made for the true fans, and you can check it all out at zerointheregistrynumberrapesourchildhood.com. :p
 
And, listening to fans is one thing. Can do some good on occasion; a tweak here and a tweak there for improvement (see: Lost's Nikki and Paulo). But listening to fans instead of sticking to your long term vision: disaster in the making. Fans taste will hijack things to a degree where Urkels, Fonzies and Boba Fetts populate the screen.
A TV creator should definitely follow his own vision, but if all the fans are complaining about the exact same things, it's probably best to listen to them.

And I really doubt anybody wants to see Urkel return to TV.
 
And I really doubt anybody wants to see Urkel return to TV.

The only reason I used those examples was that they were secondary characters or lesser who fans grabbed onto and, accordingly, were thrust front and center changing everything.

Hmmm. I wonder what ability a super powered Urkel would have?
 
They, with the possible exception of Noah to some degree, were not really built for in depth characterization or to last over seasons.
I would also add that Mohinder, before he went all Seth Brundle/mad scientist like, had the potential to ladt a few seasons. He had a more sympathetic, yet limted, understanding of what the supers were going through. He could have been just as good, if not better, character than HRG.
Agreed. Mohinder should have remained powerless. But the writers took him a little bit down the WTF? road last season, too.
 
He's only been powerless for a couple of issues... er, episodes. Taking away a superhero's powers is a time-honored trope of the genre. I'm betting it won't be long before his powers are returned, at least partially.

Doing it once is enough, and they used up that Get Rid of Powers Free card with Sylar in season two.
Oh, it happens every few weeks in comic book land. :D Anyway, it seems like they're going somewhere with it, so I'm willing to wait it out.
 
So when are the budget cuts going to kick in and stop the madness??? Read my lips: NO NEW CHARACTERS!

They have to have new characters otherwise what will the show be? The same guys all taking turns turning good then evil then good again. Fighting amongst each other. Sleeping with each other. If they get rid of some characters and don't add anyone new it will end up being Seinfeld with superpowers.
 
taking peter's powers away - good thing. they wrote him too powerful. there's no way to go from there but down. they don't know how to make him use his powers. if you really think about it, all the stuff he can do, there's not much need for the others. contrary to what they've shown us about him, he can fix most of the things that have gone wrong. that's the problem. he makes everyone else redundant and at the same time necessary because he's practically useless for all those powers he has. he needed a restart. hiro needs the same because he's just getting irritating. he's being put in situations that he doesn't need to be because he can undo or fix them with literally a blink.

If this whole season proves anything, it's that Peter and Hiro can't fix things that go wrong just by time travelling.

I doubt one Blu-Ray buying viewer from the UK will make a difference to whether or not this show stays on the air, but it's doing dumb things like taking a superhero's powers away that makes me not want to watch.

that's because they are in their "dumb" state. like i said, if they weren't dumb, they powers they have, they will not have trouble with things. the errors peter made are all due to his stupidity not is lack of ability to do them. it's a common thing to happen to over powered characters. since you know they won't have much trouble defeating the enemy/fixing a problem, you sort of have to create stupid things so that they have a bit of drama.
 
They repeat the same shit too much. They should have skipped the painting the future guy since they already had one. I hate that Peter loses his powers every five seconds. When Peter and Silar both have their powers, they forget all about them. I'm just glad we don't have to see that dumb ass flying kid the Cheerleader was hanging out with.
 
Oh, it happens every few weeks in comic book land. :D Anyway, it seems like they're going somewhere with it, so I'm willing to wait it out.

Speaking as a man who spends a considerable portion of his disposable income on comic books, no it doesn't.

that's because they are in their "dumb" state. like i said, if they weren't dumb, they powers they have, they will not have trouble with things. the errors peter made are all due to his stupidity not is lack of ability to do them. it's a common thing to happen to over powered characters. since you know they won't have much trouble defeating the enemy/fixing a problem, you sort of have to create stupid things so that they have a bit of drama.

The old idea is that Batman, given adequate time to prepare, can beat anyone else. This is true because he's smarter than most of the enemies he comes up against and that's why he beat Superman in The Dark Knight Returns.

You don't need to reboot powerful characters to make them lose every so often. You just need smart villains.
 
Now there's too many characters? It wasn't too long ago they were planning a mini-series to introduce some new characters for us. I was looking forward to that. :(

Oh, it happens every few weeks in comic book land. :D Anyway, it seems like they're going somewhere with it, so I'm willing to wait it out.

Speaking as a man who spends a considerable portion of his disposable income on comic books, no it doesn't.
Well, of course I was exaggerating. But I've also been a comic reader for close to half a century, and I can remember quite a few examples. :cool:
 
Well, of course I was exaggerating. But I've also been a comic reader for close to half a century, and I can remember quite a few examples. :cool:

So can I, but the best example is still Superman. Can you imagine if every time he came up against a villain he just suddenly lost his powers ? What would be the point in having them in the first place ?

The answer lies in making the hero use his powers in clever and creative ways, not panicking and pressing the reset button.

Although it's the chief culprit, Smallville did this right one time. There was an episode called "Witness" where a group of local criminals were using a Kryptonite-based gas to artificially give them superhuman strength. Clark witnesses one of their robberies but, much to his surprise, he is overpowered by them. (Clark's powers were still developing at the time)

Eventually, his father reminds him that these criminals might be strong but they don't have his other powers. Clark ends up using a combination of his heat vision and his speed to beat them.
 
^^^^Those have been some of the best Superman tales. I like when he uses something more than brute strength to solve a problem. But when it comes to someone like Mongul or Black Adam, a little brutality goes a long way.
 
I just wish they'd stop calling him "Rulk".

Oh man, me too. :mad:

I would also add that Mohinder, before he went all Seth Brundle/mad scientist like, had the potential to ladt a few seasons. He had a more sympathetic, yet limted, understanding of what the supers were going through. He could have been just as good, if not better, character than HRG.

I don't know that he'd ever have matched HRG, but I definitely agree that he had an awful lot of potential, if only he'd been allowed to realize it instead of being forced down a completely different path by the show's writers in order to suit their agenda.
 
I think what made Season 1 was so compelling, to me at least, wasn't the premise or the characters. It was the theme. The idea that ordinary people from all walks of life were suddenly thrusted into amazing circumstances due to the amazing things they found out they could do...That "ordinariness" was pretty much put at the back burner in favor of X-Files-esque conspiracies and implausible plot twists.

Exactly.

As to Mohinder's potential as a scientist---I don't know, what could he have found out as a scientist? Rationalizations for superpowers we know can't exist? I tend to discount Mohinder as a character lots of times because of the blowback from his narration. I found an intense desire not to listen to or see or think about Mohinder. I thought that they had a more inventive way of making Mohinder part of the superpower family, with the curative blood, but he would still be ordinary. Superpowering him of course if just more of the purge of ordinary people from Heroes.
 
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Well, of course I was exaggerating. But I've also been a comic reader for close to half a century, and I can remember quite a few examples. :cool:

So can I, but the best example is still Superman. Can you imagine if every time he came up against a villain he just suddenly lost his powers ? What would be the point in having them in the first place ?

The answer lies in making the hero use his powers in clever and creative ways, not panicking and pressing the reset button.
I agree about using powers in clever and creative ways. However, Superman himself has gone through at least two "de-powerings" because TPTB (or TIIC) felt he was too omnipotent. The obvious example is post-Crisis when Byrne re-imagined him, but they also did it in the early 70s; 1971, if my associational memories are correct, or very late 1970.

I do think, though, in Peter's case they have a particular reason for doing it; we'll see in time, I suppose.
 
I don't think they should lose the moral ambiguity...I like that these characters shift alliances and sometimes work at cross-purposes. I think they should explore the possibility of some of these characters attempting to network on a long-term basis, though. It's not just comic fan expectations, it would actually be an interesting direction in which they could take things. They've set up the Company as a shady organization that resulted from several supers deciding to team up...they could show the new generation threatening to go down that path. Hiro, comic fan that he is, could play a key role in this, naively putting things into motion without seeing the consequences.
 
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