SG-U – Trial and Error - (2x06) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[Xerxus]

TJ's 'Faith' planet dream can also be explained by Destiny messing with her head, including sensor data of the nebula ahead. Like TJ said in this episode, if it weren't for the idea that her baby's ok, she would have been shut down like Young. That's another 'technical' explanation for a religious experience.

 

[Brent]

^ that's a good point I didn't think about, the ship could be wanting to keep TJ sane as well, or helping her emotionally, at least trying to....

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

At first it seemed like the episode was plagiarizing TNG's Cause and Effect, but this turned out to be a red herring and they were plagiarizing Inception instead.

Certainly was an improvement over the last couple of episodes. Also liked the Greer/Eli/Redhead stuff.

 

[Jax]

SO dam fine.

 

[Jax]

0.967 million viewers

 

[Slugboy]

Great, the Destiny really can project stuff into people's minds. Awesome. Well, it's not as retarded a solution as they could've done, but why Destiny have this when Atlantis didn't?

I was wondering about this too. One possibility is that after deployment, the Ancients realized the technology was too dangerous (after all, it nearly drove Young insane), creepy, or simply too annoying, and so they stopped using it in their future products (like Atlantis). Just like videophones were technically possible since the 1970s but never widely adopted due to the fact that people didn't want other people to see them when talking on the phone, maybe the Ancients realized they preferred their ships to give them information via display screens, rather than sticking thoughts in their heads.

What I really want to know is why the Ancients gave up the awesome iPhone-like gate-dialling devices used on Destiny (seen in the first-season episode "Lost")...we never saw them on Atlantis.

 

[Slugboy]

TJ's 'Faith' planet dream can also be explained by Destiny messing with her head, including sensor data of the nebula ahead. Like TJ said in this episode, if it weren't for the idea that her baby's ok, she would have been shut down like Young. That's another 'technical' explanation for a religious experience.

That's a really good point! I totally missed that one.

I wonder if the writers were trying to imply that...usually the opening sequence shows scenes that are relevant to the episode ahead, and they showed the scene where TJ was looking at the nebula.

 

[David cgc]

What I really want to know is why the Ancients gave up the awesome iPhone-like gate-dialling devices used on Destiny (seen in the first-season episode "Lost")...we never saw them on Atlantis.

They probably still had them available for odd instances (we've seen the Asgard, Nox, and Ba'al use similar devices), but they weren't in common use because each 'gate had its own DHD later on. It'd be like having to bring your own doorknob with you wherever you go.

 

[Star Wolf]

TJ's 'Faith' planet dream can also be explained by Destiny messing with her head, including sensor data of the nebula ahead. Like TJ said in this episode, if it weren't for the idea that her baby's ok, she would have been shut down like Young. That's another 'technical' explanation for a religious experience.

That's a really good point! I totally missed that one.

I wonder if the writers were trying to imply that...usually the opening sequence shows scenes that are relevant to the episode ahead, and they showed the scene where TJ was looking at the nebula.

That was my take from the beginning. the aliens, like Stargate aliens tend to do, are passing themselves off as God. Nobody else is acting like TJs baby just disappeared after all.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

Great episode, really needed this after last week's stinker.

Best of Season 2 so far, I hope the show can keep up the momentum.

 

[Harvey]

0.967 million viewers

Ouch. That's the lowest point of the series so far. Obviously, it was (foolishly) scheduled against mid-term elections coverage, but these are even a tick below the baseball playoff numbers.

Add to that an upcoming hiatus (unless SyFy plans to move up season 2.5?) and this could be it.

 

[MilleniumLance]

0.967 dang it and this was a good eppy

 

[Hyperspace05]

I voted 8 Chevrons - I like it quite a bit.

I was *extremely* worried though for the first 15 minutes that it would turn out to be another endless "stones visit on Earth" domestic drama - But with the dreams/repeats (was not clear at the time) my interest perked up - And I really quite liked how the characters handled the "Young going AWOL" angle, the end was quite satisfying for that.

And best of all - No end music montage.

EDIT: I forgot one thing... They *really* need to cut down on the "previously on SGU" clips in the beginning. They are getting longer and longer - It felt like 10 minutes before the actual episode started. They should trust their audience to remember stuff. And they can be trimmed down quite a bit - For example the shot of his wife could have been left out completely - we heard him say his wife wants a divorce anyway.

 

[TheInsideMan]

Hot Red-head.
The de-construction of Colonel Young.
Simulated-Shit blew up real good.
The ship is capable of mind-fracks.

All good.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

EDIT: I forgot one thing... They *really* need to cut down on the "previously on SGU" clips in the beginning. They are getting longer and longer - It felt like 10 minutes before the actual episode started. They should trust their audience to remember stuff. And they can be trimmed down quite a bit - For example the shot of his wife could have been left out completely - we heard him say his wife wants a divorce anyway.

I don't think those are for the benefit of those who have watched every episode each week.

 

[Hyperspace05]

Yes, but my point (or one of them) was that the "previously on" segment includes scenes that are unnecessary, even for new viewers. His divorce is discussed in the episode - seeing her in "previously" segment is not important.

 

[Danny99]

- Couldn’t you just feel the electricity in the opening scene between Young and TJ? Can you tell I’m being sarcastic?
- When was Eli ever trying to dial within a star?
- Great CGI during the initial battle. The glass breaking was very well done.
- Wray is finally not a bitch, about damn time.
- It’s good to see the continuing evolution of Greer. Sure, he still has snappy one-liners, but he’s gone from being the outcast to truly becoming a part of this team and caring what happens to people around him.
- I still don’t give two shits about Eli.
- Scott punching Young over Chloe. More of the relationship no one cares about.
- Why are they forcing relationships down our throat? What, will Scott/Chloe and Eli/Ginn go on some awesome double date next week?
- So Young can’t solve a problem, so he becomes an invalid?
- Again, the writers can write a good last fifteen minutes, but the rest of the episode drags.
- Wray and Rush asking Scott to command. Finally, someone makes some sense.
- The Young/Scott scene was possibly one of the best-executed scenes in two scenes in all of SGU. Writing, acting, music, and direction: it all came together.

A strong episode, but the visions bring it down. Not what happened in the visions, but using them overall. It sucked any tension right out of the episode. If the episode had been the ship gets boarded and Young decides to shut down, it may have given reason for Scott to give his well-written script. It also would have meant we didn’t have to sit through the Eli/Ginn scenes. Sure she’s hot, but I’m not a guy who can listen to a girl read a phone book or in the case, bad dialogue. She needs to be interesting intellectually to me to make her attractve.

Overall, 7 Chevrons for me.

 

[Slugboy]

- When was Eli ever trying to dial within a star?

I think this was a reference to the episode "Earth". Basically, they had already found out that Destiny recharges itself by flying through the corona of a star, so they planned on dialling Earth while Destiny was charging in the star, in the hopes that Destiny could use the star to power the gate (okay, so technically being in the corona isn't really being in the star itself, but I'm guessing this was what was meant)

- Why are they forcing relationships down our throat? What, will Scott/Chloe and Eli/Ginn go on some awesome double date next week?

This is due to the belief that by sticking thousands of relationships in a science fiction show, it will attract more (read "female") viewers. I'm not sure if this actually works (question to the ladies: do relationships in shows appeal to you?). All I know is that I've probably seen more relationships in a single episode of one of these TV shows than I've seen in real life over my entire lifetime.

- Wray and Rush asking Scott to command. Finally, someone makes some sense.

I kind of like that scene, especially the part when Scott asked, "Why doesn't one of you do it?" and Rush and Wray basically reply "We did, and we sucked at it." It seemed that Rush and Wray sincerely wanted Scott to lead them.

 

[PsychoPere]

When was Eli ever trying to dial within a star?

He hadn't. They were discussing research. The "Earth" bit that Slugboy mentioned makes sense as well.

Wray is finally not a bitch, about damn time.

She wasn't a "bitch" in "Pathogen," either.

So Young can’t solve a problem, so he becomes an invalid?

It was more than just not being able to save one problem, it was the cumulative effect of all the problems, of killing Riley, and of his wife wanting a divorce.

[...] but the visions bring it down. Not what happened in the visions, but using them overall. It sucked any tension right out of the episode.

I thought it was rather interesting that Destiny can influence people in such a manner, that it can adapt to the events its crew is experiencing and try to prepare them for the future.

 

[Danny99]

But you only learn that in the last five minutes. The visions start forty minutes before that. The whole episode loses any tension in the intervening time.