SG-A – Inquisition (5x13) – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)
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Clip shows suck-automatic fail.
It gets pluses for bringing them up on charges for the countless lives the causes to be lost. It also gets a plus for showing the worlds of Pegasus are getting together to try and fight. But it loses points for being a clip show, for having the usual cliche of a biased judge, and it all being a set up. Also loses points for forgetting they're actually allies with the Genii, and for not really bothering to have our characters defend themselves, or really even think about the fact that they are guilty of the charges, no matter the mitigating circumstances...
Below average.
Below average.
How did they get another Atlantis-looking gate? I know they got another gate from the brigde, but the usual gates don't look like the Atlantean at all... So what? They repainted it?
Half of the gate bridge was made from Pegasus gates.
Re: SG-A – Inquisition (5x13) – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)
They should have got John deLancie to be one of the inquisitors. If nothing else, it reminded me of how alien and frightening the Wraith used to be, after that, I rather lost interest. This is where they should recruit some geeks from the fan edit/youtube community, I bet they could do something interesting with a clip show.
They should have got John deLancie to be one of the inquisitors. If nothing else, it reminded me of how alien and frightening the Wraith used to be, after that, I rather lost interest. This is where they should recruit some geeks from the fan edit/youtube community, I bet they could do something interesting with a clip show.
Re: SG-A – Inquisition (5x13) – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)
I have to say, I like my political intrigue better when the Wolsey in question is portrayed on-screen by Sam Neill...
...now there's a man with gravitas.
(And I'm not just saying that because I'm Irish, with family in NZ. Honest.)
I have to say, I like my political intrigue better when the Wolsey in question is portrayed on-screen by Sam Neill...
...now there's a man with gravitas.
(And I'm not just saying that because I'm Irish, with family in NZ. Honest.)
MeanJoePhaser
Admiral
The "trial as clip show" goes back to at least the 1960's Fantastic Four cartoon "Terrible Tribunal" (or something like that). Star Trek The Next Generation's "Drumhead" was originally planned to be one, too.
Well I obviously liked this more than most since I thought it was pretty good for a clip show. I liked the way they gave Robert Picardo some worthwhile material and used his character well.
But the logic of the scenario is iffy to say the least. Why couldn't the Atlanteans defend themselves by pointing out that their homeworld is under attack by Goa'uld, Ori, et al, and they must scour the Pegasus Galaxy for Ancients tech to help defend their home? Not that he Pegasans would give a flying frak, but it would be a sensible argument, yet the topic never came up.
Because that's the reason they are there in the first place, right? Oh right, that was never actually clarified. So what they are doing there, just helping a bunch of ingrateful alien whiners while posing a danger to their own homeworld? Their biggest boneheaded stunts have resulted in danger to Earth, not Pegasus.
Frak Pegasus, the Atlantis gang need to be put on trial on Earth. And so does the IOA for allowing this idiocy to continue. When did Earth become some kind of interstellar do-gooder planet, worrying about the natural balance of things between two species in a distant galaxy? Clearly the Wraith and humans have established a long-term predator-prey balance, which will re-assert itself eventually even if the Wraith were reawakened "early." They will wipe out enough of their food supply that they turn on each other or starve (which is happening) and the balance will be re-established.
The Atlanteans didn't upset the natural balance by re-awakening the Wraith early, they just set in motion events that will result in another re-balancing eventually, which is something that has been happening for eons, long before anyone from the Milky Way Galaxy arrived. Predator/prey species often fluctuate like this, it's the natural order of things. If the Pegasans haven't obliterated the Wraith before now and removed the threat, that's hardly the Atlanteans' fault.
Either the Pegasans want to obliterate the threat, in which case they are boneheads for alienating a possible ally, or they are content to be subject to the natural balance of things, in which case that's what's happening now, so what are they complaining about? Idiots.
Since the Pegasans don't want the Atlanteans help, why don't the Atlanteans just make a separate peace with the Wraith? Each side leaves the other alone in return for getting what they want. Wraith get to cull with impunity and the Atlanteans get to look for that Ancients tech that is so surpassingly important that they need to be in Pegasus in the first place, and if it isn't surpassingly important, LEAVE!
And of all the stuff they showed in the clips, really the only serious dumbass move was in not deciding beforehand what they would do if the Michael experiment failed, namely KILL HIM YOU IDIOTS!
If I had been in Woolsey's shoes, I would have opted for a different strategy. Just point out that the Atlanteans have enough firepower to do serious damage to the Wraith, which is more than anyone else in Pegasus can say for themselves. If the Atlanteans decided to stop fighting the Wraith or even help them, Pegasus would be royally screwed. Since apparently there is no overriding reason why the Atlanteans need to be in the galaxy at all, and they could just scram and lock out the stargate at any time, they don't even have a dog in this fight, which gives them far more flexibility in deciding what to do next than the Pegasans have.
So Woolsey tells the judges that if the prisoners are not released, Earth will turn its firepower against their group and help the Wraith. What are they going to do, lock up Shep et al and doom themselves? They can't be that big a bunch of morons.
Then the Atlaneans can just leave the whole frakkin galaxy, since thre's no point to being there anyway, and leave the Pegasans to their fate. Like I said, they won't be exterminated - they and the Wraith will re-establish a population balance, like always happens.
But if Woolsey is determined to continue with an alliance with "allies" who have a history of stabbing them in the back, I sure hope he'll keep one eye on his options for stabbing them in the back first. This is a no-win situation. The Atlanteans should gather all the Ancients tech they can and just leave.
I don't buy the notion that Pegasus has any legal jurisdiction over the Atlanteans other than what they can enforce at the point of a gun, but Earth certainly has jurisdiction over these fools.
I thought that came out of the clear blue sky - since when are the Pegasans organized in the least - but that was settled when it became obvious the coalition was nothing more than a front for more Genii scheming.
But the logic of the scenario is iffy to say the least. Why couldn't the Atlanteans defend themselves by pointing out that their homeworld is under attack by Goa'uld, Ori, et al, and they must scour the Pegasus Galaxy for Ancients tech to help defend their home? Not that he Pegasans would give a flying frak, but it would be a sensible argument, yet the topic never came up.
Because that's the reason they are there in the first place, right? Oh right, that was never actually clarified. So what they are doing there, just helping a bunch of ingrateful alien whiners while posing a danger to their own homeworld? Their biggest boneheaded stunts have resulted in danger to Earth, not Pegasus.
Frak Pegasus, the Atlantis gang need to be put on trial on Earth. And so does the IOA for allowing this idiocy to continue. When did Earth become some kind of interstellar do-gooder planet, worrying about the natural balance of things between two species in a distant galaxy? Clearly the Wraith and humans have established a long-term predator-prey balance, which will re-assert itself eventually even if the Wraith were reawakened "early." They will wipe out enough of their food supply that they turn on each other or starve (which is happening) and the balance will be re-established.
The Atlanteans didn't upset the natural balance by re-awakening the Wraith early, they just set in motion events that will result in another re-balancing eventually, which is something that has been happening for eons, long before anyone from the Milky Way Galaxy arrived. Predator/prey species often fluctuate like this, it's the natural order of things. If the Pegasans haven't obliterated the Wraith before now and removed the threat, that's hardly the Atlanteans' fault.
Either the Pegasans want to obliterate the threat, in which case they are boneheads for alienating a possible ally, or they are content to be subject to the natural balance of things, in which case that's what's happening now, so what are they complaining about? Idiots.
Since the Pegasans don't want the Atlanteans help, why don't the Atlanteans just make a separate peace with the Wraith? Each side leaves the other alone in return for getting what they want. Wraith get to cull with impunity and the Atlanteans get to look for that Ancients tech that is so surpassingly important that they need to be in Pegasus in the first place, and if it isn't surpassingly important, LEAVE!
And of all the stuff they showed in the clips, really the only serious dumbass move was in not deciding beforehand what they would do if the Michael experiment failed, namely KILL HIM YOU IDIOTS!
If I had been in Woolsey's shoes, I would have opted for a different strategy. Just point out that the Atlanteans have enough firepower to do serious damage to the Wraith, which is more than anyone else in Pegasus can say for themselves. If the Atlanteans decided to stop fighting the Wraith or even help them, Pegasus would be royally screwed. Since apparently there is no overriding reason why the Atlanteans need to be in the galaxy at all, and they could just scram and lock out the stargate at any time, they don't even have a dog in this fight, which gives them far more flexibility in deciding what to do next than the Pegasans have.
So Woolsey tells the judges that if the prisoners are not released, Earth will turn its firepower against their group and help the Wraith. What are they going to do, lock up Shep et al and doom themselves? They can't be that big a bunch of morons.
Then the Atlaneans can just leave the whole frakkin galaxy, since thre's no point to being there anyway, and leave the Pegasans to their fate. Like I said, they won't be exterminated - they and the Wraith will re-establish a population balance, like always happens.
But if Woolsey is determined to continue with an alliance with "allies" who have a history of stabbing them in the back, I sure hope he'll keep one eye on his options for stabbing them in the back first. This is a no-win situation. The Atlanteans should gather all the Ancients tech they can and just leave.
Which is why Atlantis should be acting only on behalf of Earth, because that is the only territory they have the right to act on behalf of, and because they are endangering Earth by their very presence, without consulting the citizens of Earth, so they damn well better have Earth's interests in mind and only that in mind. Even then, what they are doing is very, very iffy.
I don't buy the notion that Pegasus has any legal jurisdiction over the Atlanteans other than what they can enforce at the point of a gun, but Earth certainly has jurisdiction over these fools.
I thought that came out of the clear blue sky - since when are the Pegasans organized in the least - but that was settled when it became obvious the coalition was nothing more than a front for more Genii scheming.
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Woolsey should have pulled out the "Ronin defense"...
The Coalition is just another in a long line of seemingly good ideas used by the SG:A producers solely as bland plot devices. The Satedans, the Genii, the Travelers and now the Coalition. If they had the courage to be consistent in their storytelling and occasionally expose the Atlanteans for the hypocrites they are, these elements wouldn't seem so hollow and out of place.
But they don't. Nothing can be allowed to ruin the image of our perfect little angels. What's worse (other than it being a clip show) is the pathetic way they used the cast. They'd have been just as well served to have cardboard cutouts of McKay, Teyla and Ronan. It was so generic and obvious.
The lesson is that just because you have to have filler, doesn't mean you have to fill it with crap.
But they don't. Nothing can be allowed to ruin the image of our perfect little angels. What's worse (other than it being a clip show) is the pathetic way they used the cast. They'd have been just as well served to have cardboard cutouts of McKay, Teyla and Ronan. It was so generic and obvious.
The lesson is that just because you have to have filler, doesn't mean you have to fill it with crap.
At least it isn't like the SG1 clip shows - I am so damn sick of seeing Jack being thrown through the Asgard homeworld gate and saying"Look, you all seem to be very wonderful...people" - seriously, was that clip nessecary in every single clipshow?
Anyway, good ep to bring someone up to speed on Atlantis - Atlantis 101, if you will.
QCzar said:
You forgot about the Pegasgard!
DontFeedPhil
Fleet Captain
Terrible...
Even for a bottle/Clip episode. I really hope that not 1 single person on the writing and or production team gets carried over to the New SG show. If they do we will be stuck with more of the same bland old shit weve been getting for the last 4-5 years...
Even for a bottle/Clip episode. I really hope that not 1 single person on the writing and or production team gets carried over to the New SG show. If they do we will be stuck with more of the same bland old shit weve been getting for the last 4-5 years...
It was pretty much identical to the SG1 clip show "Disclosure", where they had to answer to Senator Kinsey at the end of season one. Both episodes were about having to justify their actions to some council to prevent the main characters from losing their jobs. The differences were superficial, both had a council representing a governing body, both were saying how the teams were causing harm and being a greater threat to the galaxy/earth than what they were fighting against. The only major difference is that instead of the main characters losing their jobs, they would be exiled to some random planet. I'm guessing that planet's dhd was taken after first dialing out, so anyone sent there would be stuck.
Would've been nice if Teyla had been brought into the council room and had her testify. She is a native of this galaxy and a leader of the Athosian people. Not allowing someone from Pegasus to speak on the Expedition's behalf was a major miscue here, plus it would have given her something to do other than sit in the background. The writers truly don't seem to know what to do with her.
I had no idea about the Boston Legal stuff, so the ending was a let down. I too was waiting for Woolsey to reflect on his own past feelings regarding how the SGC has mishandled various crisis, and struggle with that and his new role as leader. But no, we get him in his black suit, passing out booze and cigars, patting themselves on the back for engaging in cheating and prevailing, with no thought given to whether the concerns brought against the team had any validity or not. Or challenging themselves to be more careful in the future.
And once again, humanity in the Pegasus galaxy takes a hit. If you're a Pegasus native with a few exceptions, you're either evil, dumb, stupid, or a kid. Why is anyone listening to the Geni? What have they done (shown onscreen) for anyone?
Would've been nice if Teyla had been brought into the council room and had her testify. She is a native of this galaxy and a leader of the Athosian people. Not allowing someone from Pegasus to speak on the Expedition's behalf was a major miscue here, plus it would have given her something to do other than sit in the background. The writers truly don't seem to know what to do with her.
I had no idea about the Boston Legal stuff, so the ending was a let down. I too was waiting for Woolsey to reflect on his own past feelings regarding how the SGC has mishandled various crisis, and struggle with that and his new role as leader. But no, we get him in his black suit, passing out booze and cigars, patting themselves on the back for engaging in cheating and prevailing, with no thought given to whether the concerns brought against the team had any validity or not. Or challenging themselves to be more careful in the future.
And once again, humanity in the Pegasus galaxy takes a hit. If you're a Pegasus native with a few exceptions, you're either evil, dumb, stupid, or a kid. Why is anyone listening to the Geni? What have they done (shown onscreen) for anyone?
This show reminded me of the best thing about Voyager... Robert Picardo.
I agree, about it coming out of nowhere, but I did like the fact that they were doing something. and they weren't just the usual "helpless village of the week".
I liked letters from pegasus but this was a waste of my time i ended up fast forward most of it.
They should have talked to Teyla and Ronon and why would you piss off Atlantis i know they messed up a lot but they are the best hope for peace and letting a women who family had been wiped out by one of there mistakes does not but the alliance in a good light.
They should have talked to Teyla and Ronon and why would you piss off Atlantis i know they messed up a lot but they are the best hope for peace and letting a women who family had been wiped out by one of there mistakes does not but the alliance in a good light.
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Eh. Better than the last couple of episodes; made me long for the glory days of season 2 and three.
That said, someone has obviously been listening to Ron Moore's podcasts for nuBSG if that ending is any indication
That said, someone has obviously been listening to Ron Moore's podcasts for nuBSG if that ending is any indication
