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SG-A – Inquisition (5x13) – (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS!)

Grade Inquisition

  • 3 ZPMs

    Votes: 3 5.4%
  • Good

    Votes: 11 19.6%
  • Average

    Votes: 16 28.6%
  • Bad

    Votes: 12 21.4%
  • Poor

    Votes: 6 10.7%
  • Gate Malfunction - EXPLODE

    Votes: 8 14.3%

  • Total voters
    56
This is the episode that they should have written for Weir three seasons ago. It perfectly showcases the whole diplomat/leader role that only the CIVILIAN mission commander could fulfill. If Weir showed this kind of ability without the false conflict that the writers shoved around her through the countless colonels and scientists they threw her way, she might have been more useful than she ended up being.

And what's funny is that they've now basically turned Woolsey into the good guy. Can't have a guy whose antagonistic with the rest of the team after all.
 
It was pretty much identical to the SG1 clip show "Disclosure", where they had to answer to Senator Kinsey at the end of season one. Both episodes were about having to justify their actions to some council to prevent the main characters from losing their jobs. The differences were superficial, both had a council representing a governing body, both were saying how the teams were causing harm and being a greater threat to the galaxy/earth than what they were fighting against. The only major difference is that instead of the main characters losing their jobs, they would be exiled to some random planet. I'm guessing that planet's dhd was taken after first dialing out, so anyone sent there would be stuck.
Would've been nice if Teyla had been brought into the council room and had her testify. She is a native of this galaxy and a leader of the Athosian people. Not allowing someone from Pegasus to speak on the Expedition's behalf was a major miscue here, plus it would have given her something to do other than sit in the background. The writers truly don't seem to know what to do with her.

I had no idea about the Boston Legal stuff, so the ending was a let down. I too was waiting for Woolsey to reflect on his own past feelings regarding how the SGC has mishandled various crisis, and struggle with that and his new role as leader. But no, we get him in his black suit, passing out booze and cigars, patting themselves on the back for engaging in cheating and prevailing, with no thought given to whether the concerns brought against the team had any validity or not. Or challenging themselves to be more careful in the future.

And once again, humanity in the Pegasus galaxy takes a hit. If you're a Pegasus native with a few exceptions, you're either evil, dumb, stupid, or a kid. Why is anyone listening to the Geni? What have they done (shown onscreen) for anyone?

Actually the SG-1 episode your talking about is Politics. Disclosure was the season 6 episode where Britain, France, and China found out about the Stargate Program.
 
it was a VERY good episode..

as i watched it i knew the 3 things people would say.

-lol federation
-oh no clip show
-at least we got to see Michael.

you people sicken me.. especially those who commented on it while u were still watching it.. watch it in qualness or not at all.. disgusting.
 
it was a VERY good episode..

as i watched it i knew the 3 things people would say.

-lol federation
-oh no clip show
-at least we got to see Michael.

you people sicken me.. especially those who commented on it while u were still watching it.. watch it in qualness or not at all.. disgusting.

Why don't you try to be articulate about your opinions. What did you like about this episode?

It was terrible. Dull. This show has spent 4 1/2 years showing characters who make decisions that influence an entire galaxy. While I don't need this show to be self-serious or morally ambiguous, the writers can't raise this very issue without exploring how the characters feel about what they've done. We know they were guilty of the crimes they were charged with because we've seen them commit the crimes. But these writers don't understand human emotion. They're immature. Our heroes couldn't look wrong in the situation. So the court had to be a kangaroo court. One of the judges had to have a vendetta. But the worst part is that Woosley cheated his way out and they had cigars and scotch to celebrate. Are we the viewers supposed to celebrate with them?

Battlestar Galactica had an episode, Crossroads where Baltar was on trial. Apollo, in one of the most riveting courtroom speeches I've ever seen on TV, called out our heroes (one of which was a judge who had a personal vendetta against Baltar) on the three years of piss poor judgements and decisions that have cost lives and curtailed freedoms. It was a great episode because the mirror was put in their faces and they had to admit they didn't like what they saw.

SGA isn't and shouldn't be BSG but it should be smart. It used to be smart. The smarter argument wouldn't have been if they were guilty or not but if the court had jurisdiction over Atlantis. Atlantis signed no treaties with the Coalition.

Team is found guilty. Daring escape ensues. Atlantis makes an new enemy of the coalition. New villains that are interesting because they're not evil, just pissed at our heroes. No happy ending. Our heroes have to think about their actions. Much better episode than we actually got.

So that's why I hated this episode. Plus it was a clip show.

Now let's hear why you like it. And use a shift key while you're at it.
 
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Yeah, I think they missed out an opportunity to tell a story by having Atlantis not be guilty... despite bribing the other representative.

They could have their daring escape plan, and when team atlantis got to the surface, they find out that Lorne was there in a ship having followed Woolsey's gate travels or something.
 
Yeah, I think they missed out an opportunity to tell a story by having Atlantis not be guilty... despite bribing the other representative.

They could have their daring escape plan, and when team atlantis got to the surface, they find out that Lorne was there in a ship having followed Woolsey's gate travels or something.

I much prefer this idea.
 
I was thinking something similar. It might have been better--perhaps more "gutsy" to have them escape, and then wonder, "Wow. Maybe we really are guilty." The next few episodes could show the after-effects, how difficult it would be to deal with a)their guilt and b)having to negotiate with people who have suffered because of Atlantis' actions.

But....no. They bribe an official instead. Not terribly heroic stuff.

And, yes, it's a freakin' clip show. Not terribly exciting.
 
I was thinking something similar. It might have been better--perhaps more "gutsy" to have them escape, and then wonder, "Wow. Maybe we really are guilty."

But they are guilty, aren't they? To a certain extend. At some point the Wraith and Replicators are responsible for their own actions of course. But causing these things to happen does require Earthlings.
 
Plus with it being the final season, we could see the end of some things ramp up. An interesting idea would be that Atlantis's war with the Wraith gave Pegasus civilizations the strength to form a "federation" but then they assert themselves by trying to get Atlantean's to stop with their destructive, ends-justify-the-means tactics. Atlantis has to wonder if they've become the guest heroes who have worn out there welcome.

Athosians decide this may be the best hope for Pegasus which forces Teyla to begin to part ways with Atlantis. Ronon starts to question if the ride is ending. He's not a "form a New Sateda" kind of guy but we know he is a "wouldn't be cool to build a home with a sweetheart and not fight anymore" kinda guy.

The series ends with a few things up in the air and the movies become about something big in the mythos of SGA instead of the big-budget, lazy two-part episodes we know they'll end up being.
 
especially those who commented on it while u were still watching it.. watch it in qualness or not at all.. disgusting.

We've been having live discussion of episodes of this series since there was a series, in fact, there are many shows where live discussions are held on this forum as the show is airing, this has been done for many years, it is part of the fun of watching the show.
 
I was thinking something similar. It might have been better--perhaps more "gutsy" to have them escape, and then wonder, "Wow. Maybe we really are guilty."

But they are guilty, aren't they? To a certain extend. At some point the Wraith and Replicators are responsible for their own actions of course. But causing these things to happen does require Earthlings.

I've been through this enough times, but no they aren't. Sheppard and co woke up ONE Hive. In return they have destroyed several. Sheppard sold his team short, they have done a lot of damage to both the Wraith and the Replicators.
 
They tried a decent storyline with Citizen Joe, that was just terrible. But yes, this plot has been done a million times before, and it's getting boring.

it was a VERY good episode..

as i watched it i knew the 3 things people would say.

-lol federation
-oh no clip show
-at least we got to see Michael.

you people sicken me.. especially those who commented on it while u were still watching it.. watch it in qualness or not at all.. disgusting.


Do you honestly expect to be taken seriously with a post like that?

And as a side note... "you people sicken me" "disgusting" :wtf::wtf::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
the funny thing is, that the Inquistioners sounded just like the worst of the negative nellies trolling these boards... Y'know, the voice of reason. So really it was Stargate responding to the internet is what this was about if you ask myself... :)

The Boston Legal ending was insanely awsome, but it was also a wave good by since both shows are not going to get anothe seaosn... I wonder if Boston public is going to wave back? Oh goodness, maybe the behind the scenes people made a back room deal on this which would be awesome.
 
I voted average, which is the highest mark a clip show can get in my book. It's certainly not an original idea, but it was ok for what it tried to do.
 
While I don't need this show to be self-serious or morally ambiguous, the writers can't raise this very issue without exploring how the characters feel about what they've done. We know they were guilty of the crimes they were charged with because we've seen them commit the crimes.
The real problem is that it's way too late to suddenly be raising this issue. The show has shown very little interest in the logic of WHY these people are in Pegasus to begin with. Is it a) because Earth is desperate for Ancients tech with which to defend itself (in which case, how does the end of the Ori threat impact that desperation?) or b) because SGC has unilaterally decided to be intergalactic do-gooders, regardless of the mess they make in Pegasus or the threat this activity inevitably brings to Earth (in which case, how do they rationalize not allowing the people of Earth to know what's going on?)

With such fundamental questions unanswered, the whole trial situation makes no sense from a story standpoint. Are their activities "crimes"? By whose standard? What motivated these "crimes" in the first place? Most of their crimes are actually just blunders. Were they blunders that had to happen, because something big was at stake? If nothing important was at stake, even then, they aren't crimes so much as really, really stupid and aggravating blunders.

The audience has no real way of judging the Atlanteans' behavior, other than I suppose being expected to have a mindless loyalty to Shep et al because they are Our Heroes and the other guys are nobodys we'll never see again and aren't very cool anyway. It's all too contrived and the outcome of the story is as rigged as the trial was, so why should we even bother to think about this? (I'm only doing it because it's fun to remind myself how truly bad this show really is. :D)
But they are guilty, aren't they? To a certain extend. At some point the Wraith and Replicators are responsible for their own actions of course. But causing these things to happen does require Earthlings.
They're guilty of making mistakes. Whether this is forgivable from the audiences' standpoint depends on something we don't know: are they in Pegasus for a or b as outlined above?

If it's a, then the judges won't consider that extenuating circumstances, because they don't give a flip about Earth's safety. But the audience is from Earth, so we'll consider their actions justified and we don't give flip about Pegasus' safety, certainly not enough to risk ours.

If it's b, then the whole Atlantis mission is sheer idiocy and neither Pegasus nor Earth should be expected to appreciate being placed in danger by nitwits. Even then the only crime is criminally bad writing.
I've been through this enough times, but no they aren't. Sheppard and co woke up ONE Hive. In return they have destroyed several. Sheppard sold his team short, they have done a lot of damage to both the Wraith and the Replicators.
That logic only works if they've been deputized by the people of Pegasus to act in their behalf, to make the decision that it's ok to get a thousand Pegasans killed in order to save a million. Trouble is, when exactly was this vote taken?

That's the problem in acting on behalf of outsiders who haven't made their wishes fully known (or even if they have; who's to stop them from changing their minds midstream when the going gets tough?) Maybe they'd prefer to take a chance a million of them would be killed tomorrow rather than the thousand killed today. Who is Atlantis to make that decision for them? Maybe it's a dumbshit decision but it's their dumbshit decision to make.

The ONLY way Atlantis are justified is if there is an overriding need for Ancients tech in order to defend Earth from a threat that can be fought no other way. This connection has never been made, it's hardly even been implied. And even if that's the rationale, exactly what threat is Earth facing right now? I thought Cam Mitchell conquered all. :p
 
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Pretty average episode nothing too exciting. Was this episode completed before they knew the show was cancelled?
 
Bad, cheap looking, and I hate clip shows.

I would rather have an hour of them playing cards and swaping stories than a clip show.
 
Rubbish ep, and as biotech says, cheap looking. There was no sense of danger, or drama. Having Woolsey reveal 'not guilty' at the end was hardly the right pay off or climax.

As if we haven't been subjected to enough 1) Wraith 2) Wraith disease/gene 3) Replicators this past year... we're shown endless scenes of it. ENOUGH ALREADY!

More poor guest acting on SG... that angry woman judge was terrible.
 
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