Looks like a modified Credence-Type, or at least the saucer is, the flat front gives it away
They've just filled in the saucer gap, and given it a DSC/SNW Connie bridge module.
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They've just filled in the saucer gap, and given it a DSC/SNW Connie bridge module.
Creedence saucer, SNW nacelles and pylons. The ultimate 1,000 year old kitbash.
Bit of a ramble (and yes, I do have too much time on my hands) -
The way the Turbolift Chart is set out is odd -
Academy Levels 1 to 10 seem to correspond to Athena 1 to 20, but then it skips to Sub Level 21 to 28 which corresponds to Athena 21 to 35.
In "Beta Test" and "Series Acclimation Mil" it doesn't seem to count up the Academy Levels or the Sub Levels, just the Athena ones, and we know Engineering is on Deck 8 which is shown to be in the rim of the inner saucer, but the ground floor of the Atrium which seems to be Deck 12 or 13 appears to be almost immediately above the deflector - and the atrium core seems to be about eight to ten decks high, which gives the suggestion of the 17 (the Academy Levels + Sub Levels), and the Athena "Decks" correspond to floors within the levels (two decks per atrium level?)
The way the Turbolift Chart is set out is odd -
Academy Levels 1 to 10 seem to correspond to Athena 1 to 20, but then it skips to Sub Level 21 to 28 which corresponds to Athena 21 to 35.
In "Beta Test" and "Series Acclimation Mil" it doesn't seem to count up the Academy Levels or the Sub Levels, just the Athena ones, and we know Engineering is on Deck 8 which is shown to be in the rim of the inner saucer, but the ground floor of the Atrium which seems to be Deck 12 or 13 appears to be almost immediately above the deflector - and the atrium core seems to be about eight to ten decks high, which gives the suggestion of the 17 (the Academy Levels + Sub Levels), and the Athena "Decks" correspond to floors within the levels (two decks per atrium level?)
Interesting! Perhaps the "Academy" is the "halo" section thus described? It WAS the section most notably left behind in 1x04, and is arguably where a lot of the un-placed rooms of the campus may be (if not directly adjacent to the Atrium).
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Cadet Quarters seem to be in the Halo from the tilt of the bulkead and the fact we can't see the Halo through the window in 1x04 too.
No, I don’t think you were wrong. I think somebody took the Credence saucer as a starting point and just SNW-ified the rest of the ship. It even has a paper-thin deflector dish on the front of the saucer. I’m almost 100% sure this was meant to be a ship from the SNW era, and at some point was changed to a pre-Burn ship with the Giacconi’s registry for some reason.
According to the designer, the Credence was based off a Scott Schneider design from the 23rd century seasons of Discovery. So maybe it's the reverse, and the Miyazaki is either the original design or more closely based off the original design.
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NCC-1279 type lay-out (The Broken Circle)?Looks like a modified Credence-Type, or at least the saucer is, the flat front gives it away
They've just filled in the saucer gap, and given it a DSC/SNW Connie bridge module.
We now know the Miyazaki wasn't a Credence
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Here are some more graphics of the (31st century) Constitution-class USS Miyazaki, as seen in StarfleetAcademy's "Come, Let's Away". The underslung second smaller saucer underneath the main saucer section can be seen in these images.
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We now know the Miyazaki wasn't a Credence
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Well, I can see that in the UK at least. Better than Imgur, at the moment.
It's clearly very different from the existing, Discovery originating, new Constitution-class, however.
Nor is it a rearrangement of the existing components, that could have explained such away.
So - looks like another needless complication.
Is this image inverted at any point, too?
Random notes from 1x06 and 1x07
- We see the Athena turbolifts from the outside. They're (thankfully) nothing like the madhouse roller coasters we've seen on earlier ships. There's no visible track or anything, nor is it in a tight shaft, so these seems to be a sort of middle ground between this era and the last. Think more Ministry of Magic more than anything else.
- Lt. Cmdr. Tomov hadn't been off the ship in six months. I think this slipped through the writer's bible, if the ship has been on Earth for most of that time. That, or he really doesn't get out much.
- The Miyazaki team first walks down a tubular corridor made of shiny material - what IS this corridor for? It's not like it's a docking arm or anything for the shuttle. It's sorta seen as part of the material that covers up the SNW bridge, so perhaps it's deployed around the ship?
- And why bother taking a shuttle over anyway? Why not beam over? Is taking a shuttle part of the scenario?
- Here, programmable matter is seen as a sheet of material that is then "molded" with the wands we've seen before, presumably into a replacement or substitute for the part that needed fixing. This is one of the more reasonable uses of P-matter we've seen so far in this century. The interfaces in this show have been pretty flat overall, though there are various examples of people interacting with them without touching either a holo display or flat surface.
- B'avi calls their tricoms "deltas" here. Perhaps a nickname?
- Tricoms apparently had transporter functions built in for "Discovery", and we've already talked about how the tech apparently existed in "Nemesis" in 2379 and could in principle be applied here. But if the Academy version also had transporters, were they also disabled so they couldn't simply beam themselves away - or at least to another part of the Miyazaki?
- You can barely see it in one shot, but the (24th century) Intrepid-class model on the shelf looks to have BOTH of its nacelles bent downward. I'd been thinking that just the starboard nacelle was drooping for several episodes in a row now, but it looks like set dec deliberately put them that way.
- The scale of the Sargasso puts this (32nd century) Intrepid-class ship as tiny compared to the Athena. It's a gaffe here, as otherwise this Intrepid has been depicted pretty large, notably when seen in the Archer spacedock.
- The USS Discovery is mentioned as part of the recovery effort. Seems fitting for her rapid-response ability, though it could really be any ship at this point.
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- More transporter stuff - here they use the "Sato Atrium" as the de facto place where the cadets are beamed away for break. A "transporter arch" is mentioned, but not seen, and the transportees simply walk into the middle of an unseen mark on the floor to get beamed off.
- This follows the "appearance arches" from the pilot episode, which is also are the upper level and also not marked off with anything tangible.
- Whatever the student population is, if it's in the thousands then passing everyone through one transporter arch seems a real pain to do single file. Even if most of the cadets instead walk off to the local shuttle facility, it seems a waste to send everyone off like this, especially seeing how it's been used like a mass transit system several times in PIC.
- Captain Ake uses a 21st century roller suitcase. She also packs a remarkable amount of clothes for four days, where every single cadet seems to beam off with just the uniforms on their backs. I guess there aren't any appearance arches where she's headed.
- It's not the first time this has happened, but quietly abducting someone from inside a modern Starfleet facility remains remarkably easy to do. The kidnapping of Kira from DS9 with a Dominion long-range transporter comes to mind. Here, a Khionian wormhole (?) thingy is used to abduct Darem, and not only is it not detected, but he also misses his transport appointment and no one seems to notice.
- The Khionian thingy also seems to have a time dialation factor built in. Jay-den pops in mere seconds after the other three go through, but when he arrives on the moon, enough time has passed for the other three to move to the neighboring structure, sit Darem down, slap a wreath on his head, and chop up a sea cucumber (?).
- Let's talk about the logistics of effectively abandoning a huge, high-tech starship for four days, with one person in charge. Sure, the Athena is on the surface, and security can beam in at a moment's notice from whatever the local Starfleet installation it (HQ has presumably not returned to San Francisco in this show). But it's not literally a brick and mortar building that you can just lock up and leave for a break. It's certainly treated that way here, without considering all the sensitive tech and so on that's sitting around. At least the warp nacelles are safely in orbit, but what about the warp core and presumably the dilithium that's in it?
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- We see the Athena turbolifts from the outside. They're (thankfully) nothing like the madhouse roller coasters we've seen on earlier ships. There's no visible track or anything, nor is it in a tight shaft, so these seems to be a sort of middle ground between this era and the last. Think more Ministry of Magic more than anything else.
- Lt. Cmdr. Tomov hadn't been off the ship in six months. I think this slipped through the writer's bible, if the ship has been on Earth for most of that time. That, or he really doesn't get out much.
- The Miyazaki team first walks down a tubular corridor made of shiny material - what IS this corridor for? It's not like it's a docking arm or anything for the shuttle. It's sorta seen as part of the material that covers up the SNW bridge, so perhaps it's deployed around the ship?
- And why bother taking a shuttle over anyway? Why not beam over? Is taking a shuttle part of the scenario?
- Here, programmable matter is seen as a sheet of material that is then "molded" with the wands we've seen before, presumably into a replacement or substitute for the part that needed fixing. This is one of the more reasonable uses of P-matter we've seen so far in this century. The interfaces in this show have been pretty flat overall, though there are various examples of people interacting with them without touching either a holo display or flat surface.
- B'avi calls their tricoms "deltas" here. Perhaps a nickname?
- Tricoms apparently had transporter functions built in for "Discovery", and we've already talked about how the tech apparently existed in "Nemesis" in 2379 and could in principle be applied here. But if the Academy version also had transporters, were they also disabled so they couldn't simply beam themselves away - or at least to another part of the Miyazaki?
- You can barely see it in one shot, but the (24th century) Intrepid-class model on the shelf looks to have BOTH of its nacelles bent downward. I'd been thinking that just the starboard nacelle was drooping for several episodes in a row now, but it looks like set dec deliberately put them that way.
- The scale of the Sargasso puts this (32nd century) Intrepid-class ship as tiny compared to the Athena. It's a gaffe here, as otherwise this Intrepid has been depicted pretty large, notably when seen in the Archer spacedock.
- The USS Discovery is mentioned as part of the recovery effort. Seems fitting for her rapid-response ability, though it could really be any ship at this point.
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- More transporter stuff - here they use the "Sato Atrium" as the de facto place where the cadets are beamed away for break. A "transporter arch" is mentioned, but not seen, and the transportees simply walk into the middle of an unseen mark on the floor to get beamed off.
- This follows the "appearance arches" from the pilot episode, which is also are the upper level and also not marked off with anything tangible.
- Whatever the student population is, if it's in the thousands then passing everyone through one transporter arch seems a real pain to do single file. Even if most of the cadets instead walk off to the local shuttle facility, it seems a waste to send everyone off like this, especially seeing how it's been used like a mass transit system several times in PIC.
- Captain Ake uses a 21st century roller suitcase. She also packs a remarkable amount of clothes for four days, where every single cadet seems to beam off with just the uniforms on their backs. I guess there aren't any appearance arches where she's headed.
- It's not the first time this has happened, but quietly abducting someone from inside a modern Starfleet facility remains remarkably easy to do. The kidnapping of Kira from DS9 with a Dominion long-range transporter comes to mind. Here, a Khionian wormhole (?) thingy is used to abduct Darem, and not only is it not detected, but he also misses his transport appointment and no one seems to notice.
- The Khionian thingy also seems to have a time dialation factor built in. Jay-den pops in mere seconds after the other three go through, but when he arrives on the moon, enough time has passed for the other three to move to the neighboring structure, sit Darem down, slap a wreath on his head, and chop up a sea cucumber (?).
- Let's talk about the logistics of effectively abandoning a huge, high-tech starship for four days, with one person in charge. Sure, the Athena is on the surface, and security can beam in at a moment's notice from whatever the local Starfleet installation it (HQ has presumably not returned to San Francisco in this show). But it's not literally a brick and mortar building that you can just lock up and leave for a break. It's certainly treated that way here, without considering all the sensitive tech and so on that's sitting around. At least the warp nacelles are safely in orbit, but what about the warp core and presumably the dilithium that's in it?
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Wouldn't the ships (Computer/AI) be monitoring everything going on while everybody is away?
We are approximately four months into the academic year at this point. SAM states it has been 96 days since 1x01/1x02 which seem to roughly run into each other.
It looks like the same material Reno used on the Hiawatha in her debut.
Presumably. Ake mentions attempting to beam them back.
Didn't they mention in an earlier episode that the cadets didn't have the transporter function in their comm badges?
I wondered if maybe he was assigned to the Miyazaki wreck as a minder and lived on the ship or on a shuttle or mini-station in the debris field.
I think they called them that earlier, too, maybe in the premiere?
I thought it seemed right. The 32nd century Intrepid was one of the only future ships that was of comparable scale to the 24th century Starfleet. It’s only a bit bigger than the 24th century Intrepid.
In the DSC time-jump finale, the old Federation HQ station (and two others with it) were referred to as Starfleet Headquarters, so it looks like they decided to keep Starfleet semi-mobile even once the Federation council and president returned to a planet.
While it made sense in the 22nd century for Starfleet, the Academy, and the Federation government to all be Earth given they were the neutral lynchpin holding the other founders together despite their bad blood, I agree with the decision that the new Federation should be more decentralized.
Moving to 1x08:
- They take a shuttle (here called a transport) to Kasq on what should be an urgent mission. Travel times and distances mean even less in this era, so I'm guessing in general that a shuttle can be used for high-speed requirement missions instead of say a runabout or dedicated courier (or Warp 9 probe or whatever) form centuries past. They're not going anywhere unexplored per se, and there were only three of them, so I'd say in general every ship, shuttle or conveyance all have pretty much the same upper speed limit for this era. Unless you're Discovery.
- We haven't ever had a statement of any warp factor in this century, right? Even a closeup of the helm console from "Kids These Days" shows their maximum speed as a percentage (unless the warp scale has been recalibrated to 100). I suppose warp is more like Star Wars hyperspace now, no real speeds mentioned and travel time being a direct correlation to the dialogue that needs to happen along the way.
- There's a lot of to-do about a toothbrush that fell into a toilet. Every character has emotional attachments to objects in this show, but a toothbrush? It seems something so basic can be replicated to replace at any time, or indeed EVERY time it's needed, even an electric one with no bristles. The last (and I think previously, the only time) we've seen a toothbrush is in the 23rd century where Stamets and Culber use some 21st-century looking analogs.
- Tarima returns this week with a new assignment and a unique uniform to match. One wonders if this was made simply to complement her actor's figure (even more than the uniforms already in use for everyone else), as we see no one else in them so far.
- Are the War College facilities back in order now? There aren't any such cadets visible this week, though that's just as easily to play into Tarima's arc this week.
- So the cadet quarters are made for four people per room? Having spent some time in dorms, I gotta say that we had more personal space than these rooms despite having much less open space, but at least the bunk rooms I've seen still had handrails and guardrails. I'd be worried for Tarima not being able to make it up no her bunk with nothing to grab onto, and then for her to tumble to the floor in a stupor even if she did make it.
- They take a shuttle (here called a transport) to Kasq on what should be an urgent mission. Travel times and distances mean even less in this era, so I'm guessing in general that a shuttle can be used for high-speed requirement missions instead of say a runabout or dedicated courier (or Warp 9 probe or whatever) form centuries past. They're not going anywhere unexplored per se, and there were only three of them, so I'd say in general every ship, shuttle or conveyance all have pretty much the same upper speed limit for this era. Unless you're Discovery.
- We haven't ever had a statement of any warp factor in this century, right? Even a closeup of the helm console from "Kids These Days" shows their maximum speed as a percentage (unless the warp scale has been recalibrated to 100). I suppose warp is more like Star Wars hyperspace now, no real speeds mentioned and travel time being a direct correlation to the dialogue that needs to happen along the way.
- There's a lot of to-do about a toothbrush that fell into a toilet. Every character has emotional attachments to objects in this show, but a toothbrush? It seems something so basic can be replicated to replace at any time, or indeed EVERY time it's needed, even an electric one with no bristles. The last (and I think previously, the only time) we've seen a toothbrush is in the 23rd century where Stamets and Culber use some 21st-century looking analogs.
- Tarima returns this week with a new assignment and a unique uniform to match. One wonders if this was made simply to complement her actor's figure (even more than the uniforms already in use for everyone else), as we see no one else in them so far.
- Are the War College facilities back in order now? There aren't any such cadets visible this week, though that's just as easily to play into Tarima's arc this week.
- So the cadet quarters are made for four people per room? Having spent some time in dorms, I gotta say that we had more personal space than these rooms despite having much less open space, but at least the bunk rooms I've seen still had handrails and guardrails. I'd be worried for Tarima not being able to make it up no her bunk with nothing to grab onto, and then for her to tumble to the floor in a stupor even if she did make it.
About the shuttle, it was nice to see more of it in the light. They don't seem to have any markings on them.
Are 32d century warp drives basically the same as early 25th century ones?
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