SF Debris quick STID review [spoilers]

[Franklin]

Ebert's movie review was considered "rotten" on Rotten Tomatoes, but he mostly didn't like it for what it didn't do. As far as what he wished to see goes, he ends the review with,

Perhaps the next one will engage these characters in a more challenging and devious story, one more about testing their personalities than re-establishing them. In the meantime, you want space opera, you got it.

He said the movie dealt with "narrative housekeeping." There were good character moments, but all the action was mostly just confronting a larger and better armed Romulan ship.

If you think STID tested personalities and involved deviousness, then you may want to guess the late Mr. Ebert would've liked STID more than ST. Who knows?

Full review here:
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-trek-2009

 

[Commishsleer]

Getting back to the topic, I think he brought up an interesting way the film could have ended. I also didn't see how Kirk really grew that much in this film, even though I know I was supposed to. I mean, it did seem like not doing the right thing paid off. I think the best example was how he lost command of his ship, gets busted down to cadet for it to learn something, and then almost immediately he's first officer and then captain again. That wasn't very much time to learn a lesson.

When Kirk was told by Marcus just to kill Khan, would the right thing to have done be to kill him? I mean Kirk was in trouble for not obeying orders - to learn anything he would have done as Marcus said and toed the line.

When he goes after Khan he tells Spock that Spock is the right person to be captain at that juncture that he is the one who needs to deal with Khan. Has he learnt anything there? Maybe

Really had Kirk done anything wrong except file incorrect reports? Maybe thats what he's learnt. Get your reports in synch. He certainly would save Spock and the pre-Warp planet again in the same circumstances but lie about it better

 

[MrPointy]

Re: SF Debris quick STID review

I merged the two threads, just in case anyone's confused.

Funny thing is that my thread and free's thread were posted at the exact same minute.

 

[Set Harth]

The logic is also a little puzzling when Scotty can beam people into another ship in outer space, but they have to physically parachute to land on a platform in the air from which the Romulans are drilling a hole to the Earth’s core.

Explained in the film, Roger. ( Oh, and at the time of the Vulcan incident they didn't have the transwarp beaming formula yet. )

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: SF Debris quick STID review

I merged the two threads, just in case anyone's confused.

Funny thing is that my thread and free's thread were posted at the exact same minute.

Clearly, they were meant to be together.

 

[newtontomato539]

Roger Ebert:

"I hate Star Wars."

"I know I said I hate Star Wars Episode IV. But since Star Wars is now popular, I look like a schmuck. I love Star Wars Episode IV."

"I love Star Trek 2009. But it's not the Prime timeline. I hate it. It must be the Prime timeline. Why? Because I said so. But its good space opera. I love it. But I hate space opera. But I love Star Wars Episode IV. I'm not a schmuck."





I have never taken whatever he said seriously.

 

[Set Harth]