Me neither. Which is what I voted.
As for sex icon, I'm oblivious to it personally. But then if she was, if the intention was to appeal to a different demographic which I don't belong to, what do I know?
Seven of Nine: Female Empowerment or Sex Icon?
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Me neither. Which is what I voted.
As for sex icon, I'm oblivious to it personally. But then if she was, if the intention was to appeal to a different demographic which I don't belong to, what do I know?
Same thing, really, wrong.
Perhaps you'd care to explain that remark in more detail rather than trying to shout down Deckerd? There are at least two people who have no clue what you are talking about.
^I'm not shouting down anyone and I have already made it clear what I think.
I don't think it's fair to suggest that Jeri Ryan was only cast for her looks. They could have easily have gone with someone younger, for a start. They didn't. I know Deckerd didn't mean it seriously but there tends to be a
kind of attitude when new good looking female cast members are added to TV shows which doesn't happen when it's a guy instead.Besides her looks and outfit I don't think she was very sexy at all. She was too awkward and being Borg I'm sure most found her intimidating, kind of like a Russ Myers woman...The way Enterprise flaunted T'Pols sexiness was way more overt IMO. I don't recall ever seeing Seven get a sponge bath in her skivvies 
I agree one hundred percent. I voted both, even though the original post doesn't even make much sense to me.
As for Seven, she was brought on board to generate buzz about the show. She succeeded. She was good looking and could act to boot. All in all she was a great addition that probably helped to get us seven years of Voyager.
I'd say a little bit of both - she's sexy, but she's clearly one of the most powerful characters on the show.
A very good sex icon.
I voted both. From a certain standpoint, you could make an argument that she represented female empowerment in that she was liberated from the collective, a representation of the mainstream society. She often chose to go about things in her own way, bringing her in conflict with Janeway and the others. And she dressed as she pleased, in the context of her character.
And she's a sex icon in that the catsuit was definitely designed to reel in sex-crazed male geeks of all ages. I would be curious to see what the lesbian community has to say about Jeri and Seven, though.
I think Berman and Braga must be into Dominatrices, though, given how many of the new ST shows present many women dressed in tight-fitting clothes. And you can see Seven and T'Pol represent the tightly controlled Dominatrix, both tantalizing and denying males intimacy as the male gives up control to such an Earth Goddess or Matriarchal figure. Look at poor Harry Kim and Trip Tucker, each of them desiring these unattainable yet attractive ice maidens!
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And she's a sex icon in that the catsuit was definitely designed to reel in sex-crazed male geeks of all ages. I would be curious to see what the lesbian community has to say about Jeri and Seven, though.
I think Berman and Braga must be into Dominatrices, though, given how many of the new ST shows present many women dressed in tight-fitting clothes. And you can see Seven and T'Pol represent the tightly controlled Dominatrix, both tantalizing and denying males intimacy as the male gives up control to such an Earth Goddess or Matriarchal figure. Look at poor Harry Kim and Trip Tucker, each of them desiring these unattainable yet attractive ice maidens!
Red Ranger
Both.
Female empowerment in another sense though--that Jeri proved that what she looks like does not mean she's less intelligent than other women.
Unfortunately, this is a stereotype (the blonde bimbo) that a lot of women are beholden to. Intelligent women are supposed to be less sexy in order to be taken seriously.
Female empowerment in another sense though--that Jeri proved that what she looks like does not mean she's less intelligent than other women.
Unfortunately, this is a stereotype (the blonde bimbo) that a lot of women are beholden to. Intelligent women are supposed to be less sexy in order to be taken seriously.
Isn't that reverse sexism the same as Zena the Princess Warrior was? She's the exact opposite of the stereotype but at the same time still a stereotype...And the lesbian theme was definitely there with the Borg Queen.
Pure, unadulterated, unneeded eye candy.
How is proving that a woman can be beautiful and intelligent sexist in any way?
Jeri herself is beautiful and intelligent. Should she somehow downplay her looks in order to be taken seriously?
Well it's not my argument but there is an argument that says because she is super-smart, and super-beautifull it reinforces certain stereotypes not unlike Zena who, opposite the stereotype of a beautifull woman who is weak and needs to be rescued she is uber strong and hyper feminine...Something like that.
I'm sorry but Jerri Ryan was cast primarily for her looks and not much else. That she can act was merely a bonus. You'll note that they had her doing degrading things that they NEVER would have had the male characters do. The same is true of Tricial Helfer on BSG. She was hired and promoted as the sex pot, but it turned out that she could actually ACT, so they gave her other things to do.
The comparison between Ryan and any of the good looking male cast members on ANY show is that the men are NEVER required to run around in skin tight costumes and are never treated like sex objects. Nor are their characters promoted as sex objects or depicted in purely sexual ways. Lets not pretend that there is no double standard here.
The comparison between Ryan and any of the good looking male cast members on ANY show is that the men are NEVER required to run around in skin tight costumes and are never treated like sex objects. Nor are their characters promoted as sex objects or depicted in purely sexual ways. Lets not pretend that there is no double standard here.
Seven was brought on to attract attention from a certain genre. This is why the network suits wanted her out of the borg makeup asap. The fact that Jeri Ryan can act was a bonus.
Her looks weren't downplayed in the episode she wore a uniform. She still looked great. One can also argue that characters like B'Elanna and Janeway were able to look great while in uniform and all three were obviously intelligent.
Her looks weren't downplayed in the episode she wore a uniform. She still looked great. One can also argue that characters like B'Elanna and Janeway were able to look great while in uniform and all three were obviously intelligent.
But still, she must wear what *you* deem appropriate?
Why can't she be beautiful and intelligent in a catsuit?
FWIW, since Jeri had to do multiple auditions to get the role, and since this wasn't her first acting gig (like Tricia Helfer, for example), and since she was an honors graduate from Northwestern's theater program with 7 years of steady work in Hollywood, then I'd say that the suits were also well aware that she could act when they gave her the role.
ETA: Using Janeway and B'Elanna as examples does not disprove my point. Intelligent women come in all shapes and sizes.
It's not either-or.
That would work better if Craig weren't butt ugly from that semi running over his face. Or was he born like that?
Penikett got hit by the same semi three or four times and Bamber is just bland. Go find some actual sexy guys to use as examples.
(And to mangle your point even more, neither Apollo nor Helo are actually "interesting, strong characters," particularly not in comparison with the competition they have on that show. Apollo is a whiny wuss and Helo is a dolt.)
Seven of Nine, female empowerment,
! That's funnier than the notion that Tahmoh Penikett is good looking.
I voted: Jeri Ryan
That is: both (But every vote IS a vote for Jeri)
That is: both (But every vote IS a vote for Jeri)
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