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News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

I really am liking how this show is shaping up, it has heart. From Grayson rescuing Mercer's career to Bortus laying an egg, it is fun and has a certain sense of sweetness.

Not something I was expecting from a MacFarlane show.
Yes.

Also, I think it works because, instead of forcing the pretense that humans had to "evolve" to be better, they can instead be good and have a nice world and still act like human people.
 
So, twenty one days, huh?

So, will they cut ahead some time to get to it, or is this just a deliberate joke aimed at us, wherein Seth now has an excuse to show Bortus naked for a few episodes?

I think it's the excuse part, personally. ;-)
 
How does it feel refreshed? It might resemble 90's Trek in some areas but it is not TNG, it is not DS9, nowhere near Voyager or Enterprise. The feel is there but it does not rehash the same storylines we've seen endlessly. There is actual human conflict here as opposed to using an alien race to stand in for it.
Okay, this is a bit ridiculous. Every iteration of Trek on TV has had tons of "human conflict" in every season of every show, regardless if you felt it was well written or well acted.

TNG had episodes like The Pegusus and The Drumhead, all of the conflicts between Janeway and Seven, Janeway and Chakotay on VOY were human conflicts. DS9 had lots and so did ENT. In fact ENT's season ending arc was one of the best human conflict stories I'v seen in Trek.

I understand that some people think there is some type of competition between the Trek and Orville, but there really isn't. So lets not get silly with the comparisons.
 
I know that it was just for the gag, but the fact that Captain's office isn't soundproofed stretches credulity a little too much (I'm referring to the scene when the captain and ex-wife discuss)
 
Okay, this is a bit ridiculous. Every iteration of Trek on TV has had tons of "human conflict" in every season of every show, regardless if you felt it was well written or well acted.

TNG had episodes like The Pegusus and The Drumhead, all of the conflicts between Janeway and Seven, Janeway and Chakotay on VOY were human conflicts. DS9 had lots and so did ENT. In fact ENT's season ending arc was one of the best human conflict stories I'v seen in Trek.

I understand that some people think there is some type of competition between the Trek and Orville, but there really isn't. So lets not get silly with the comparisons.

Much of those conflicts came in later. In Voyager, yes often with caveats. The conflict with Janeway is Seven was (and to some extent in their eyes, still) a Borg and grew up as one from early childhood. She can be arguably seen as less than human which is ironically a deeper level of conflict there but still not entirely two humans who have a conflict over how to coexist. One is a person who grew up as a person. The other grew up in an alien collective of minds with virtually no individual personality.

Chakotay is right but it was also again brushed aside quickly and practically gone by season two after the Maquis had acclimated with the crew. From there on it was more disagreement than conflict much of the time. And a few episodes of TNG where the conflict was short lived aren't what I meant. They come in, have a disagreement and then it is settled before the episode ends or never acknowledged again. That's a cheap way to avoid having to go back and acknowledge that people really do fight and sometimes hold grudges. Conflicts that last an episode aren't great examples.

DS9 had them which is an exception but it was again usually short lived and rarely brought up. Sisko had great animosity toward Picard but it was because Picard was Locutus of Borg, not Picard, Captain of the Enterprise when that arose. We also never see it addressed again.

O'Brien and Bashir turned into the best of friends after their conflict was resolved. Almost every other conflict in that series was with an alien race. Even Sisko and Jake was reserved. They had an overall great relationship despite the obvious turmoil they endured.

So despite my saying Trek avoided human conflict it doesn't mean it never happened, it just came up in the context of what was needed then dropped almost immediately after it was concluded for the storyline. Orville is going to have an ongoing problem between at least two humans for more than an episode.
 
The fact that fighters in an armed insurrection became indistinguishable from career Starfleet officers within weeks puts the lie to any claim of Trek treating people believably.
 
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