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News Seth MacFarlane’s The Orville

How does it feel refreshed? It's obviously Seth MacFarlane geeking out and being a TNG fanboy. The Orville recreates the look and feel of early 90s Star Trek, there's nothing refreshing about it, it's pure nostalgia.

Discovery on the other hand does feel refreshed, it might not be for everyone but from the trailers it looks like a show made in 2017, it's modern and has modern sensibilities. The Orville feels like a fan production because those usually strive to recreate the look and tone of decade's old productions.

How does it feel refreshed? It might resemble 90's Trek in some areas but it is not TNG, it is not DS9, nowhere near Voyager or Enterprise. The feel is there but it does not rehash the same storylines we've seen endlessly. There is actual human conflict here as opposed to using an alien race to stand in for it. They have an alien antagonist sure but there is a human traitor assisting them and for once an actual reference to someone using a toilet (which this thread sidelined discussing in detail).

One of their crew is an android whose species is quite racist, something only obliquely referenced in DS9 particularly with Cardassians and virtually nowhere else in Trek. Sex and interspecies relationships are actually relevant and openly seen (I know there are references in Trek but few were ever seen as anything more than unusual outliers to be given prominent attention like Spock or Naomi in Voyager). None of this feels like a decade's old production where these things are quietly swept under the rug or discussed in hushed tones. It's all out in the open.

90's Trek, and Trek in general was shy to directlly address those issues. It was always under a thick veil of allegories and allusions. Orville at least makes it plainly obvious this future might be better but it is not perfect. It is not the ideal utopia of human peace Trek was trying to give us.

There is an abundance of actual alien crew who are more than just a forehead or pair of ears away from human (their closest thing to a Vulcan still has more than a pair of pointy ears and their Klingon counterpart is even more made up beyond his forehead). That diversity shows that humanity isn't isolated to just a few token alien beings on their ships but more inclusionary, even if it does occasionally present awkward situations.

Outside of "All Good Things..." we never hear of a divorced couple let alone infidelity or any kind of permanant relationship conflict. And here right off the bat is a couple who divorced and now have to ride out that conflict in order to do their jobs. There is no quick resolution or fast fix in sight for their situation.

Without Discovery having aired yet so far we already know a lot of the themes of Trek are out the window or sidelined. They took liberties with the Klingon race, their uniforms are closer to Enterprise than TOS making them feel even more anachronostic, the conflict is all too serious (mainly with the Klingons, again) and all over the place. Continuity is right out the door (seriously,
Spock's human sister Michael never once mentioned before now? Or how unKlingon their Klingons look.
) and while they finally do have some human conflict, it is of the rehashed "Admiral British Guy" variety that has been done so much. We don't know much about it yet but it feels little like Star Trek should feel, which is hopeful. It looks sullen and all too gritty.

We're about to have a war, and we already had an excellent Star Trek does war series in DS9 who managed to keep an even keel of darkness and light throughout. Discovery so far feels dark with no light.

Orville might not be entirely original but that does not mean it does not feel fresh. Discovery is fresh but it does not feel original at all.
 
In my little ol' opinion,, save the pee jokes about Bortus and use them sparingly. I think the ultimate pee joke would be:

Each season finale (assuming it gets picked up again), things are getting dangerous and they need Bortus, but just at that moment, Bortus has reached his year's period and he literally can no longer hold it, so he's off to piss his brains out during the battle, secure in a bathroom.

Cut to shots of the battle, then to Bortus to peeing. The battle, Bortus peeing, the epic climax, Bortus still peeing; stops, takes a deep breath, pees more.

Then when the battle is over and things are safe, he's done and he's come out. But they'll have to save the comments, because he forgot to wash his hands, and has to go back.
 
In my little ol' opinion,, save the pee jokes about Bortus and use them sparingly. I think the ultimate pee joke would be:

Each season finale (assuming it gets picked up again), things are getting dangerous and they need Bortus, but just at that moment, Bortus has reached his year's period and he literally can no longer hold it, so he's off to piss his brains out during the battle, secure in a bathroom.

Cut to shots of the battle, then to Bortus to peeing. The battle, Bortus peeing, the epic climax, Bortus still peeing; stops, takes a deep breath, pees more.

Then when the battle is over and things are safe, he's done and he's come out. But they'll have to save the comments, because he forgot to wash his hands, and has to go back.
I love this
 
I'm judging the trailers right now. There's nothing weird or wild about what they've show, none of the people look happy to be there, there's no sense of fun or whimsy.

I don't want dark dystopia and war when I watch Trek. I loved the unabashed escapism of the original Trek. Sue me.
*begins proceedings*

Nah, seriously, I get where you're coming from. I'm hoping the trailers are for the "we are srs fans and we want srs trek" people, and we end up getting something with a lot of upbeat messages in it.
 
I'm judging the trailers right now. There's nothing weird or wild about what they've show, none of the people look happy to be there, there's no sense of fun or whimsy.

I don't want dark dystopia and war when I watch Trek. I loved the unabashed escapism of the original Trek. Sue me.
Exactly my problem with the trailers and information we have gotten of Discovery so far. Maybe it won't be the dark and gritty the trailers are showing but it is not encouraging anyone who wants a less serious take on Star Trek.
 
Lots of salty comments cuz he wasn't doing a "pure" AMA but only focused on The Orville. I hope it doesn't discourage future efforts because I really like it when the creators interact on social media. On American Gods, they did something similar to AMA after episodes but on Twitter where there weren't expectations on the format. I find it really adds to the experience, sort of a real-time behind-the-scenes.
Quoting myself, I know...

After making his AMA faux pas he did another proper one to make up for it which had this great answer to what's the coolest thing you've ever seen:
I once saw Neil deGrasse Tyson eat an entire bottle of Flintstones vitamins on a dare.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/70bf9u/i_am_seth_macfarlane_back_for_a_new_and_better_go/

I know it's not actually related to The Orville but it made me laugh. I'll try to swing it back by saying in the original AMA he mentioned that making Cosmos taught him how to do decent FX on a budget for The Orville.
 
Not only does he pee just once a day you got to wonder how he pee's. It might come out their ears for all we know or nipples or some horn looking thing. With aliens you basically have no idea how they would do that kind of thing.

Jason

Lister: Your explanation for anything slightly peculiar is aliens, isn't it? You lose your keys, it's aliens. A picture falls off the wall, it's aliens. That time we used up a whole bog roll in a day, you thought that was aliens as well.
Rimmer: Well we didn't use it all, Lister. Who did?
Lister: Rimmer, ALIENS used our bog roll?
Rimmer: Just cause they're aliens doesn't mean to say they don't have to visit the little boys' room. Only they probably do
something weird and alien-esque, like it comes out of the top of their heads or something
.
Lister: Well I wouldn't like to be stuck behind one in a cinema.

Red Dwarf-Kryten (1988)
 
Going back about three pages of postings: the hallway conversation between the XO and Helmsman >>> I've been in that exact conversation more than once over the years where someone of higher rank just needs "a second" to talk about something and you stand there crossing your legs.

Worse, I once saw someone follow the First Sgt into the restroom and stand outside his stall to talk to him about something the rest of us thought really could have waited ten minutes.....

So, for me, that bit didn't seem out of place at all. Was it great humor?? Heck no. But it wasn't the Jump The Shark moment people claim it was.
 
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