Set blueprint exchange

Redgeneral · Feb 7, 2022

Some research into the TNG set dressing - I've gone through the screenshots and identified each button panels used on the permanent sets. All the long panels are confirmed to be all the same design and numbers. Unfortunately this particular design had poor silk-screening leading to essentially black blobs for text. Completely new versions with much clearer text were created for DS9 onwards rather than reuse the TNG versions.

I've managed to figure out each of the text by utilising multiple filters and then overlaying the font. In the picture below, orange = certain, and green = open to interpretation.

There was one long panel that was a different design visible in one of the Transporter Panoramas. It was on a panel blocking off the access corridor - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#16397440510934/16397441615016
However I can confirm that the panel was not present during TNG, and instead added for the panorama. It was possibly added to hide the access corridor end as it goes nowhere. In 7x10 we can see the corridor is still open as before (https://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/season-7/7x10/inheritance-hd-214.jpg)

Dimensions for the button panels in the Galaxy project plans have all been redone from scratch and now include long panels, short panel, doorbell (or slim panel) and the three row panel (used on observation lounge table etc.)

Currently the Galaxy Project sits at 155 pages - double the last release. Still got a long way to go before release though - hoping for possible a late June release.

batboy853 · Feb 8, 2022

Can't wait to see it!

Redgeneral · Feb 13, 2022

Type 7 shuttlecraft
http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15444658681181/16447859824560
Source: http://www.trekplace.com/ap2005int01.html

Padd variant
http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15444710554224/16447861128605
Source: unknown - found it on my hard drive (it was probably the Propworx auction site)

Tiny image of Battle Bridge cross section
http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15444734874999/16447868322936
Source: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/star-trek-next-gen-battle-bridge-original

Robert Bonchune worked on the cgi on DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. He's been repairing/retexturing the original cg assets and rendering them. As well as beauty shot renders, there are also orthographic shots - very useful for modelling. If you put your mouse over the orthographic image, icons for seeing it full size will appear.
Artstation Gallery: https://www.artstation.com/sleekndone
One of my favourites is the Orbital Inspection Pod: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/xJKA21

I learned about this gallery from @Rekkert twitter post - https://twitter.com/TadeoTrek/status/1488588801261850630

publiusr · Feb 14, 2022

That’s a great internet find!
That type 7 would be a pain to build.

Bellerophon · Feb 14, 2022

publiusr said:
That’s a great internet find!
That type 7 would be a pain to build.

They never could build a full size mock-up properly, it was too difficult. That's why it went away and was replaced with the type 15 and eventually type 6.

(And this was the simplified version! The original design was even curvier)

publiusr · Feb 14, 2022

Could you show them side by side please?

Bellerophon · Feb 16, 2022

Probert initially wanted something like this:

Then went to a boxier straight line shuttle to be easier (a version of which made it into one of the early series matte paintings):

Then that was simplified to mostly the shuttle we know with simpler side doors:

The windows were then simplified for the actual filming model:

But they had real trouble building a scale model for use with actors, and couldn't really recreate it properly (and what they did recreate was only one side and apparently very fragile:

So they created the box little type-15 shuttlepod which would be much easier to build a scale model of, and then after Star Trek 5 they inherited the Galileo shuttlecraft scale model and modified it into the TNG type-6 shuttle.

lennier1 · Feb 16, 2022

Much like the Phase 2 shuttle, it was ahead of its time.
Nowadays, they could just let the shape be 3D printed on industrial machines and take a cast for fiberglass structure.

Bellerophon · Feb 16, 2022

Nowadays they'd just build the entrance hatch for the actors to interact with and CG in the rest, probably, with the interior on a separate set.

Redgeneral · Feb 16, 2022

batboy853 · Feb 17, 2022

Wowza! It should also be noted that the Captains Yacht was later redressed for the bridge of the Bajoran ship in DS9 s7 shadows and symbols

Rekkert · Feb 18, 2022

@Bellerophon: Having studied the Type 7 extensively, that's not entirely accurate. Probert designed the shuttle with both the front door and the side doors in place. The front one went to the cockpit, the side ones to the passenger/cargo area (the concept even makes the distinction between cargo and entry doors, as you can see below).
This is noticeable on both the concept piece and the matte painting you posted. The two different access points were part of the design until the interior set for the shuttle was built. Then it was the side doors which were removed, not the front one. The final filming miniature follows the concept pieces regarding the front end, and the ramp was even there on the interior. Of course it was never seen in use due to how prohibitively expensive it would've been, but it is there. In contrast the panels for the side doors were completely replaced by another pattern on the filming model, not to mention we clearly see the interior there and there's no door or hatch border visible.

Also, there was an original filming miniature (only used in season 1's 'Coming of Age') which did have both the side doors and the longer windows, not to mention a totally different paint scheme much more similar to Probert's design. It was later replaced for season 2 with the more familiar model, without the side doors.

It's also worth pointing out that the photo of the filming model you posted isn't how it actually looked like, as the model had the ship's registry at the front, between the two windows every time it was shown as an Enterprise shuttle.
For its final appearance on 'The Chase', the model was used as a civilian craft, so they used black tape to hide all the Enterprise markings. Eventually when the model was taken out of storage and on tour (that picture you posted was taken at an exhibition), someone removed the side tape that was blocking the large '1701-D' markings, but accidentally left both the large rectangular one at the front that was covering the registry number and the smaller bit of tape at the sides covering the shuttle's name in between the red Starfleet stripes.
Here you can see two screencaps of how it looked in 'The Host', as being an Enterprise shuttle; and on 'The Chase' as a civilian one. Notice not only the black rectangle added at the front, but also the one covering the '1701-D' which makes it look like the ship has a larger window at the back.

publiusr · Feb 21, 2022

Bellerophon said:
Probert initially wanted something like this:

Then went to a boxier straight line shuttle to be easier (a version of which made it into one of the early series matte paintings):

Then that was simplified to mostly the shuttle we know with simpler side doors:

The windows were then simplified for the actual filming model:

But they had real trouble building a scale model for use with actors, and couldn't really recreate it properly (and what they did recreate was only one side and apparently very fragile:

So they created the box little type-15 shuttlepod which would be much easier to build a scale model of, and then after Star Trek 5 they inherited the Galileo shuttlecraft scale model and modified it into the TNG type-6 shuttle.

Ironically there is a section in a real space book called “”whittling down the space shuttle” that showed how a lovely TSTO concept became the TSTO equipped, skid/drop-tank glider thingy we got instead.

Bellerophon · Feb 22, 2022

Rekkert said:
@Bellerophon: Having studied the Type 7 extensively, that's not entirely accurate.

I defer to your greater knowledge, good to know.

Redgeneral · Mar 6, 2022

cardinal biggles · Mar 6, 2022

Redgeneral said:
TMP
Unknown Dome A - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413366736084/16465700250644
Unknown Dome B - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413366736084/16465700251760

My copy is in storage so I can't be 100% sure, but I think Lora Johnson used that drawing in Mr. Scott's Guide as part of her illustration of the egress hatches on the dorsal surface of the saucer (like when Kirk & co. exit the ship to walk to V'Ger). I think the dome is meant to be a formation light.

publiusr · Mar 7, 2022

Great finds

Redgeneral · Mar 9, 2022

batboy853 · Mar 9, 2022

I think that Phase II admiral office later appeared as the cargo containers in TMP.

batboy853 · Mar 9, 2022

Also are these in the collection?
ST6 Klingon:
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159482624251745&set=g.3946122365398207
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159482624191745&set=g.3946122365398207
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159454820591745&set=g.3946122365398207
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159454820516745&set=g.3946122365398207
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159454820481745&set=g.3946122365398207

Also it looks like Elaine Sokoloff, posted some more of the borg sets from TNG:
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1088102130&sk=photos

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