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Seriously...why?

Same article was also discussed here back at the time it appeared. One instance can be found here - I know there were others, and Abrams' lens flare comments got at least a couple of mentions in TrekToday as well (including this one.)
 
The problem I had with the flares was they kept reminding me that I was watching a movie (if you know what I mean). I could see it if there were a reason such as a weapon hit or some such but for them to show up on the bridge of the Enterprise just as people are talking was silly.

The bridge was bright enough already without the flares calling attention to it.
 
The problem I had with the flares was they kept reminding me that I was watching a movie (if you know what I mean). I could see it if there were a reason such as a weapon hit or some such but for them to show up on the bridge of the Enterprise just as people are talking was silly.

The bridge was bright enough already without the flares calling attention to it.

That seems to be the best way to sum it up. It felt almost like I was watching a home video. Well, I don't want to suggest it was that low budget- it was a great movie, but you know what I mean.
 
I'm one of those who didn't consciously notice the lens flares until it was mentioned in the commentary. However, once it was pointed out, it clicked for me why watching the movie made my eyes hurt.

My biggest problem with the lens flares (and other techniques found running rampant in movies these days) is that I wear glasses and without them the things around me are indistinguishable, fuzzy, and shadowy. Although it's instinct to squint without my glasses, no amount of doing so clears my vision and when I try to perceive details without wearing them, it's quite a frustrating feeling. When I watch a movie that utilizes such techniques that make details harder to perceive, it frustrates me just as much. If my intent was to NOT see what's happening on the screen, I'd take my glasses off, thank you very much Mr. Director.
 
I never said it posed a problem BECAUSE of my glasses. Just that the effects sometimes make it difficult to discern details, similar to the effect I receive when I don't wear my glasses. My apologies for trying to explain my viewpoint instead of just coming in here and saying, "Lens flares suck!"
 
It's worth mentioning here that JJ Abrams wears glasses, too. Although I have no idea the extent of his eyesight issues.
 
Abrams himself has said multiple times in both video and printed interviews that he used too much lens flare in Star Trek, and he even said his overuse of it was "ridiculous." He also said that he used it for aesthetic reasons, because he liked the way it looked. Nothing mentioned about added realism.

At least that means he most likely will not overuse it in the next Star Trek, like he did in the last one.

http://io9.com/5230278/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-lens-flares-are-ridiculous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1DqrgGZiM&feature=player_embedded#at=418

The video is about Super 8, but he talks about why he uses lens flare in his movies in general, including star trek. He says it is "literally an aesthetic thing that [he] likes, and [he's] absolutely guilty of overusing it and realize it can be insanely distracting"

He goes on to say he had "a little bit more of an excuse of using it in star trek", but he clearly knows he uses it too much based on what he just said in the video, as well as the other printed article where he called his overuse of it in Star Trek "ridiculous", not once, but twice..

When the director of the film himself says things like this, I don't think it's fair to say that people who criticize it are just whining and moaning over nothing. Of course that's what most people who love a movie say whenever there is valid criticism, so it is not surprising.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiAToA3qZcI[/yt]


Yeah it looked more like a lame trendy oxygen bar than a bridge.

I notice these comparisons "Apple Store" and now "oxygen bar" being bandied about, and yet, they never seem to actually resemble the new bridge. I guess people hold oxygen bars and Apple stores in contempt, because it sure as hell isn't an insult. I mean, it would be like someone saying "haha, your house looks like a place where people hang out and enjoy the appealing design. Sucks to be you." :lol:
 
Having seen XI a few times, I've learned that if you are intent on looking for the camera flares, they'll practically ruin the movie for you. But if you forget about them and just watch the show, they're not that noticeable. This may be hard to believe, but I honestly did not consciously notice them the first time I saw it in the theatre.

All that being said, they should go easy on the flares next time.

I'm in total agreement. I didn't notice the lens flares the first time either.

I was too busy being pleasantly surprised at how much the film was not sucking.
 
Lense flares worked in my opinion didn't distract me when watching it. It made Trek feel bright like the original series without being campy. Better than going all pitch black during red alert like other films.
 
Yeah, you'd think people would show some gratitude after all that angsting that the film would be "dark and gritty" like nuBSG. "Gah, but ST is about a bright, optimistic future"!

Now, it's too bright.

There's no pleasing some people, it seems.
 
Yeah, you'd think people would show some gratitude after all that angsting that the film would be "dark and gritty" like nuBSG. "Gah, but ST is about a bright, optimistic future"!

Now, it's too bright.

There's no pleasing some people, it seems.

All joking aside, is a show dark and gritty really just because of bad lighting, filthy and smeared sets and unwashed actors? I remember times where a movie could be dark and gritty with very bright lighting and clean shaven actors.
 
Abrams himself has said multiple times in both video and printed interviews that he used too much lens flare in Star Trek, and he even said his overuse of it was "ridiculous." He also said that he used it for aesthetic reasons, because he liked the way it looked. Nothing mentioned about added realism.

At least that means he most likely will not overuse it in the next Star Trek, like he did in the last one.

http://io9.com/5230278/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-lens-flares-are-ridiculous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1DqrgGZiM&feature=player_embedded#at=418

The video is about Super 8, but he talks about why he uses lens flare in his movies in general, including star trek. He says it is "literally an aesthetic thing that [he] likes, and [he's] absolutely guilty of overusing it and realize it can be insanely distracting"

He goes on to say he had "a little bit more of an excuse of using it in star trek", but he clearly knows he uses it too much based on what he just said in the video, as well as the other printed article where he called his overuse of it in Star Trek "ridiculous", not once, but twice..

When the director of the film himself says things like this, I don't think it's fair to say that people who criticize it are just whining and moaning over nothing. Of course that's what most people who love a movie say whenever there is valid criticism, so it is not surprising.




Yeah it looked more like a lame trendy oxygen bar than a bridge.

I notice these comparisons "Apple Store" and now "oxygen bar" being bandied about, and yet, they never seem to actually resemble the new bridge. I guess people hold oxygen bars and Apple stores in contempt, because it sure as hell isn't an insult. I mean, it would be like someone saying "haha, your house looks like a place where people hang out and enjoy the appealing design. Sucks to be you." :lol:

Ya- I never quite got the comparison. Then again, I've never been in an Apple Store, despite loving them.

If I were to sum up the bridge, it was too bright and busy... The lights directed in odd locations (though TOS was odd with silly colours), odd clear control vertical display... It was just too messy for me. I get what they were going for, but it was just too much.

It didn't hurt the story, though the Enterprise has always been a character herself, so it actually is important (to me) that she be well thought out in her recent incarnation. Unfortunately, she hasn't. It would have been like making Kirk a midget woman who acted more like Picard (though I like Picard), and at the same time slapping on a CGI face of a young shatner on the actor...

No biggy though. As long as the movies are entertaining in the end...
 
At least he was consistant using the same effects in space shots. I don't like it when cgi shots are completely out of style of the rest of the film.
 
Yeah, you'd think people would show some gratitude after all that angsting that the film would be "dark and gritty" like nuBSG. "Gah, but ST is about a bright, optimistic future"!

Now, it's too bright.

There's no pleasing some people, it seems.

All joking aside, is a show dark and gritty really just because of bad lighting, filthy and smeared sets and unwashed actors? I remember times where a movie could be dark and gritty with very bright lighting and clean shaven actors.

I agree. Let's have dark and gritty....with lens flare!

Now there's a revolutionary thought for ya.

God, I am so creative it's scary.
 
It;s got to create a mood and in a short time so yes lightings going to play a big part.
 
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