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Series 9 Set Reports Thread (SPOILERS)

You still don't seem understand what CBBC is and what it represents in a UK context - no current prime-time star is going to see moving to star in a show on CBBC aimed at 7-12 year olds as anything but a step backwards or downwards - it a place where careers start and careers wind-down*. Jenna's previous role before Doctor Who was bigger than that...


* outside guest appearances in things like Horrible histories, voiceovers and other things like that.

Yes outside of a bit part in the first Captain America movie her last part was huge, I'd even go so far as to call it titanic. ;)
 
Most spin-off (at least on US networks) center on a main character who was only a supporting/recurring character on another program. (Off the top of my head "Joanie Loves Chachi" from "Happy Days"; "A Different World" from "The Cosby Show"; "Angel" from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"; and currently "Better Call Saul" from "Breaking Bad". Oh... and let's not forget "Torchwood".)

With the shows I'm familiar with in that list, it's a result of actors who were a bit further down the cast list than lead or second on the parent show before they got their spin-off. For example, in his last season on Buffy prior to moving to Angel, David Boreanaz was listed fifth out of a cast of seven, and John Barrowman wasn't even listed in the opening credits of Doctor Who prior to Torchwood. In those cases getting a spin-off was a significant promotion for them, as I would imagine it was for the others.

As the current Doctor Who companion, Jenna Coleman is already very high-profile, especially her since she was the companion during the 50th anniversary buzz and the recent regeneration media frenzy. I have to agree with others, it would be a backwards career move for her to take a lead position on a show on a smaller network
 
Even managed to sneak in a top billing in the Series 8 finale...just to mess with people.

Though if she really wanted to overwork herself, she could be on both shows. Her other show being what she does between trips in the TARDIS. Espicially if the Doctor gets a second companion that helps him in finding Gallifrey, while Clara comes along half the time.
 
Both K9's were last in Gallifrey. Or you're forgetting Romana left E-Space for a while now.
Romana II returned from E-Space a LONG time before the Time War.
As far as I'm concerned, if it wasn't shown or mentioned on TV, it's not canon*. Not everyone has access to the novels, comics, audio adventures, and whatever else. We last saw Romana II in Warrior's Gate, in E-space. If I'm expected to believe that she left E-space, let alone the rest of it, let them write a line into the TV series to say so.

*exception being the Paul McGann webisode material, since he regenerated into a version of the Doctor who was on TV


Well, it could be interesting seeing K-9 again.
Depends on who does the voice. Is John Leeson still alive?

And since the Paul McGann Shada, has been Flash Animated, that comes pretty close, to me, to canonizing Romana as Lord President
There's another version of Shada, besides the Fourth Doctor story that was never properly finished due to the strike? :wtf:

Maybe she wants to be the lead, rather than the lead's second banana?
Clara hasn't been the "second banana" on nuWho almost from the get-go. For some bizarre reason, Doctor Who has become All About Clara.
 
There's another version of Shada, besides the Fourth Doctor story that was never properly finished due to the strike? :wtf:

Yes. Basically taking the script as it was after the scene shown in The Five Doctors where the Fourth Doctor and Romana get taken away. The Eighth Doctor's version has a different introduction of the Eighth Doctor visiting Romana (and K-9) on Gallifrey and reminding her of their aborted trip to visit Professor Chronosis. Romana sort of remembers that they changed their minds and went to Brighton instead, and the Doctor thinks he missed something, so he takes Lord President Romana and K-9 in his TARDIS to visit the old Time Lord. At which point the story continues like it was the original Shada, with a few changes here and there. A later reference to Romana's station in Time Lord society when it comes to visiting Shada, and the differences in how Paul McGann delivers the lines to how Tom Baker would deliver the lines.
 
Both K9's were last in Gallifrey. Or you're forgetting Romana left E-Space for a while now.
Romana II returned from E-Space a LONG time before the Time War.
As far as I'm concerned, if it wasn't shown or mentioned on TV, it's not canon*. Not everyone has access to the novels, comics, audio adventures, and whatever else. We last saw Romana II in Warrior's Gate, in E-space. If I'm expected to believe that she left E-space, let alone the rest of it, let them write a line into the TV series to say so.

*exception being the Paul McGann webisode material, since he regenerated into a version of the Doctor who was on TV
... which webisode also referenced characters exclusive to Big Finish. The guys that do audio adventures. Including which, a version of Shada with the Eighth Doctor in it.
 
Romana II returned from E-Space a LONG time before the Time War.
As far as I'm concerned, if it wasn't shown or mentioned on TV, it's not canon*. Not everyone has access to the novels, comics, audio adventures, and whatever else. We last saw Romana II in Warrior's Gate, in E-space. If I'm expected to believe that she left E-space, let alone the rest of it, let them write a line into the TV series to say so.

*exception being the Paul McGann webisode material, since he regenerated into a version of the Doctor who was on TV
... which webisode also referenced characters exclusive to Big Finish. The guys that do audio adventures. Including which, a version of Shada with the Eighth Doctor in it.
This Shada was not referenced in the webisode, and neither were Romana or K-9. Therefore, for me, that story is irrelevant and not canon. I've seen the original Shada footage from The Five Doctors and a very early attempt to restore as much of it as originally written. This was long before Paul McGann ever played the Doctor.
 
... which webisode also referenced characters exclusive to Big Finish. The guys that do audio adventures. Including which, a version of Shada with the Eighth Doctor in it.

Which means less than nothing - even if they take stuff from Big Finish it doesn't mean everything else happened, just the bits they grab and even then it's not clear cut - muttering some names as a bit of fan service doesn't tell us a lot.
 
The way I see it, you either want to aknowledge BF as canon, or your don't. Because in any way, it really is aknowledged by NuWho. Night of the Doctor was just one instance.
 
Well, since so much of nuWho has been nothing but a bad soap opera, I have no problem disregarding large parts of it.

NuWho has whole seasons that don't make any sense, and the current PTB seem to think Clara is the real main character. This past season has really been a dismal waste of extra cable TV fees for me.
 
Given the time restrains on a modern series (usually single 45 minute episodes and few to no cliff hangers) the whole of a story needs to wrap up in that amount of time. However instead of the focus being the Doctor, who would usually be the one to deal with cliffhangers and the like over four to six 22 minute episodes for a story, the new series focuses on the companion to help tell the story. Rather than the audiance eyes to the Doctor, the screamer, or the thing that gets the Doctor to move from A to B, the modern companion is more relevant to the plot (and sometimes is the plot). We still see the Doctor thought the companion, but sometimes we also see the companion through the Doctor. This is likely an allowance for modern storytelling in a format that the BBC will accept.

The BBC would not likely be willing to go back to 20 to 30 minute episodes with cliffhangers for four to six weeks to tell one story. If done in that format, in modern times, than Doctor Who would turn into a bad soap opera, as not much would happen every week for a month to two months until the ending week resolved the plot. There would be too much time given to setting up the weekly cliffhanger and likely more of what people have objected to regarding the companions since Rose.


But, as we head into another series, we can hopefully look forward to the Doctor at least trying to find Gallifrey. The metal dog is hopefully a clue from Romana, as that is the one K-9 that has no spin-off attention on TV (if the one with Leela is actually the one that got his own Australian show that is)
 
Oh, so NuWho in general is bad? :D

OK.
In general, in my opinion, nuWho is inferior to Classic Who.

And yeah, some of it is not only bad, it's crap.

I enjoyed a fair bit of Eccleston's season and some of Tennant's stories. With the exception of specific scenes in the 50th anniversary show, Matt Smith's tenure was garbage from start to finish.

I like Capaldi, but The Clara Show has to end. He needs a different companion, preferable one without a family or significant other.

The BBC would not likely be willing to go back to 20 to 30 minute episodes with cliffhangers for four to six weeks to tell one story. If done in that format, in modern times, than Doctor Who would turn into a bad soap opera, as not much would happen every week for a month to two months until the ending week resolved the plot. There would be too much time given to setting up the weekly cliffhanger and likely more of what people have objected to regarding the companions since Rose.
It already is a bad soap opera!
 
The name Cass, right now, makes me think "could it be the same woman?", but it isn't as common a name as Sara/Sarah.

It might be interesting if it was the same character.
 
I doubt it, if it were meant to be the same character, wouldn't they just use the same actress? I doubt there's any more connection here than there is between Jenny the Doctor's daughter and Jenny from the Paternoster gang. Hell, the Library story had two guys named Dave.

Besides, there have also already been characters named Cass in The Robots of Death and The Caves of Androzani. Cass can also be short for Cassandra, and aside from the last supposedly pure-blooded human in the distant future, one of Amy's make-up girls in Asylum of the Daleks (who was herself a Dalek) was also named Cassandra.
 
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