I’m just disappointed. I wanted more 13.
Series 11 News & Spoilers
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So... I was prepared to be indignant and be all "If American TV can do it, why can't the BBC? And here's proof!" And I went to look up the Expanse and was disappointed:
Season 1 10 episodes, first aired December 14, 2015
Season 2, 13 episodes, first aired February 1, 2017
Season 3, 13 episodes, first aired April 11, 2018
So about 14 or so months between seasons. I guess I'm just greedy.
Season 1 10 episodes, first aired December 14, 2015
Season 2, 13 episodes, first aired February 1, 2017
Season 3, 13 episodes, first aired April 11, 2018
So about 14 or so months between seasons. I guess I'm just greedy.
At the very least, I do think its a realistic expectation to have 13 or 12 episodes for the show, if you're going to have such a huge gap. So, once again, with love, FUCK YOU, BBC!
The marketing writes itself.
"Watch the 13th for 13 weeks.
Not "Watch the 13th for 10 weeks"
While we're on the subject let's remember "Sherlock"
12 episodes in 8 years LOL.
If this were doctor who we'd still be on "The Pandorica Opens" LOL
Venture Bros has had seven seasons over 14 years. Generally there’s a two to three year gap between seasons due to how it’s produced with the creators writing, painting the backgrounds, doing the initial original design for new characters, and voicing most of the characters themselves. It’s a great show and worth the wait, but since the show runs on ongoing story arcs it can take up to a decade for a single story to payoff.
Here is an analysis of the series ratings and how they compare overall to previous series.
https://www.blogtorwho.com/analysis...-the-battle-of-ranskoor-av-kolos-and-kerblam/
https://www.blogtorwho.com/analysis...-the-battle-of-ranskoor-av-kolos-and-kerblam/
But, but I was told Doctor Who was failing!? These facts hear seem to suggest otherwise! Stupid facts.
As Richard Herring always said. You can prove anything with facts.
As with any facts they're open to interpretation. Overall average is really high which can't be anything but good.
But here's another fact. Looking at each modern actor's debut season and the drop off in viewers between first and last episode of the season, then 13 has the biggest drop off with 39% (for the record Chris 36%, David 4%, Matt 33% and Peter 17%). Now we're of course not dealing with like with like given Jodie's had the shortest season, but given the downward curve we've seen this season you have to wonder if this figure would have got worse if she'd had 13 episodes?
Given the BBC now do +28 the numbers may rise but currently The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos is the only episode of series 11 to get more viewers than the previous episode. If you look at the stats that's pretty much unheard of since the show came back in 2005, this episode on episode decline isn't the norm. Series 11 also has the worst AI figures of the modern era.
Compared to Capaldi's last two seasons these numbers are still very good, and starting from such a high point with nearly 11 million for the opener the only way was down, but I think the big test will be series 12 really.
Just the facts ma'am.
As with any facts they're open to interpretation. Overall average is really high which can't be anything but good.
But here's another fact. Looking at each modern actor's debut season and the drop off in viewers between first and last episode of the season, then 13 has the biggest drop off with 39% (for the record Chris 36%, David 4%, Matt 33% and Peter 17%). Now we're of course not dealing with like with like given Jodie's had the shortest season, but given the downward curve we've seen this season you have to wonder if this figure would have got worse if she'd had 13 episodes?
Given the BBC now do +28 the numbers may rise but currently The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolos is the only episode of series 11 to get more viewers than the previous episode. If you look at the stats that's pretty much unheard of since the show came back in 2005, this episode on episode decline isn't the norm. Series 11 also has the worst AI figures of the modern era.
Compared to Capaldi's last two seasons these numbers are still very good, and starting from such a high point with nearly 11 million for the opener the only way was down, but I think the big test will be series 12 really.
Just the facts ma'am.
You've said you're self that the finale isn't "The only episode to get more viewers" Kerblam also got a slight increase. And as you say a record opener was always going to lead to a drop over the run. It's all meaningless anyway, we have no idea what the BBC's thinking is in regards renewing/cancelling/resting any show is. But 15 years in an increase in viewers seems positive to me, even if there are other mitigating factors on how positive.
Demons of the Punjab 7.48
Kerblam! 7.46
(I think the overnight was better at the time, but the final figure is worse)
And yeah we don't know what the BBC's thinking is. They have to be happy with the numbers, but I'd be surprised if the drop off wasn't causing them at least a modicum of concern. Part of that's down to Chibnall's somewhat lacklustre approach (which at least is something that can be tinkered with) and maybe just a general weariness with Who (which I doubt even Tennant returning could fix).
Kerblam! 7.46
(I think the overnight was better at the time, but the final figure is worse)
And yeah we don't know what the BBC's thinking is. They have to be happy with the numbers, but I'd be surprised if the drop off wasn't causing them at least a modicum of concern. Part of that's down to Chibnall's somewhat lacklustre approach (which at least is something that can be tinkered with) and maybe just a general weariness with Who (which I doubt even Tennant returning could fix).
That report says 8.06m for Kerblam?
I was going on these figures and what's on Wikipedia so I don't know, if that's accurate then it changes the complexion quite a bit.
These "facts" are nothing more than a smokescreen to push a liberal agenda by the SJW media. An orange man in a red baseball cap told me so.
I'll take that bet. I could do with some extra cash!
Also I can see what you mean about a whole year with no show meaning people will forget about it. After all look what happened with Star Wars. 16 years between the first and second trilogies and everyone had completely forgotten about it. No excitement at all. Then another 10 years before the next trilogy. No wonder they're not making any money out of that series.
I'll take that bet. I could do with some extra cash!
Also I can see what you mean about a whole year with no show meaning people will forget about it. After all look what happened with Star Wars. 16 years between the first and second trilogies and everyone had completely forgotten about it. No excitement at all. Then another 10 years before the next trilogy. No wonder they're not making any money out of that series.
The BBC is not Disney, and Chibnall is no Lucas. It’s a serious apples and oranges case. And the BBC literally can’t make any money directly from Who. I believe BBC Worldwide still handles the merchandise moneys. It’s a surreal experience seeing Doctor Who toy ads on ITV I can tell you.
Why would Trump or the British people care about what Trump says? I assume some of the same issues here in America are happening their but does Trump really have that kind of influence with the British people?
Jason
Doctor Who was off the air for 15 years. Somehow when it came back it did alright. So not so apples and oranges.
The sarcasm in the post I replied to around Star Wars being a forgotten thing?
Who was pretty much forgotten except among hardcore fans for those sixteen years. We had the odd project and of course the novel range, but it was forgotten.
In terms of if it were to vanish again...yes it wouldn’t be forgotten again. Until/if it came back it would pick up fans all over again as it did in 2005.
I don’t thing SW and DW are really comparable in that regard. SW is and always has been bigger.
Because sarcasm is SOOOOO easily spotted on the internet, imirite?
Exactly. And YET, it was still a very successful relaunch. It's almost like people know how to advertise a show. And if after 15 or so years, being "much forgotten," it can be a hit, a year break doesn't seem like a big problem, does it?
In financial and world wide impact, no. But, perhaps, in the UK, wouldn't Doctor Who be an institution?
It’s an institution while it’s on and popular. Then it becomes old and derided - or at least it did last time - witching about oooh...five or six years of an anniversary with a nought in it, with the incumbent having his replacement announced at that time. Then it’s gets cancelled, becomes a cult favourite, a trivia question and generally derided in popular memory...
It was an O.K relaunch, the hype didn’t hit till the fan base picked up under tennant (kids and anyone who swooned over him after Casanova) and Smith (older teens, Americans who had t been converted under Tennant)
It was certainly better than I expected on many levels.
I think the sarcasm was all but lit with neon lights in the original post. I doubt they believe SW isn’t making any money.
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