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Series 11 News & Spoilers

I have no proof of this but my feeling is that the problem is the BBC. They want a known, successful name as showrunner but the known, successful writers/producers have their own things they want to be getting on with. Which is why the ones we've had so far were die hard fans who credit Doctor Who for making them want to be writers in the first place. Newer, lesser known writers may be interested but who knows.

In my own personal view i think BBC are usually at the heart of most of this shows issues, i mean recently they were mumbling about Who merchandise not selling, while they had put the show on another 18 month hiatus, and it is like they are still stuck in the 1950s where they think they have a captive audeince who are starved of other similar entertainment and have no other options but to sit twiddling their thumbs until the BBC gives them something, i don't think the BBC has any concept of how fluid todays audiences are, if you don't give them it they will now find a alternative, hell i would not be susprised to see some at the BBC still think TV owners still wait for the TV to heat up. lol
 
Are they limited to only thinking of British showrunners? I think Joss Whedon for example would make for a great showrunner of "Doctor Who." Whoever did the show "People of Earth." would be a good one as well.

For several years I've thought the two American producers with the right sensibilities for Doctor Who are Brannon Braga and Bryan Fuller. Both have their controversies -- Braga's reputation among genre fans isn't the best, and Fuller has the deserved reputation of bailing on projects. But the real reason they would never produce Doctor Who is that they could make more money working on other projects than they could working for the BBC for a year or two.
 
I have no proof of this but my feeling is that the problem is the BBC. They want a known, successful name as showrunner but the known, successful writers/producers have their own things they want to be getting on with. Which is why the ones we've had so far were die hard fans who credit Doctor Who for making them want to be writers in the first place. Newer, lesser known writers may be interested but who knows.

The only name bandied about is Phoebe Waller-Bridge, whose plate is full. I don’t know enough about other productives at the Beeb or ITV that would make a solid choice.

Are they limited to only thinking of British showrunners? I think Joss Whedon for example would make for a great showrunner of "Doctor Who." Whoever did the show "People of Earth." would be a good one as well.

We don’t need Joss involved. Although having an American producer involved who’se used to the 26 episode grind wouldn’t be the worst thing. However, this speaks to the inherent difference to how Who is authored - a showrunner and who writes, edits and produces the majority of the show and buys scripts that they re-write and rework and some producers - versus an American one-hour show - some EPs who provide direction, a “writer’s room” that works on editing and rewriting, purchasing scripts/ideas/titles and either editing them or wholesale rewriting them.

Whether it’s budgetary or availability, one of the biggest hurdles of Who is the lengthy turn around times (It’s been probably 7 years since the show came back year-to-date without moving deeper into the year or a large delay) and the “short” seasons. While 13 episodes is vogue now - the perfect bingeable length - decreasing to 10 or a “split season” isn’t going to help things. It’s frustrating. One of the saving graces of Discovery is that their mid-season finale and mid-season start were two months apart. And they’ve introduced those high-end shorts to literally fill the gap.

I know a lot of this is left up to the vagaries of the BBC production schedule/budget. But I’ll tell you that I know people spilling over with excitement for Jodie as the Doctor that grew tired of the teases and waiting 10 months for the show to come back and haven’t watched. Especially as the show becomes a bigger international hit. I honestly wouldn’t be all that surprised that if a “dark period” comes up in the next decade (I’m almost certain that the BBC will push through to get us to 60 before there’s any hint of the show “ending.”) if BBC America steps in to finance the show themselves.

My largest concern about the show right now isn’t this rumor. It’s that a lot of the folks I know who were jazzed for Jodie, watched the pilot and talked about getting back into Who after dropping off after with late-Smith/Capaldi, have sort of gone radio silent on the show. I don’t think it’s a question of quality, I’ve not seen a lot of complaints from those folks. Just... silence. I wonder how much of it is the shift to waiting for “streaming” and how that hurts viewership.
 
I don't know. Marvel was pretty silent for awhile after the James Gunn situation and AMC was able to hide the fact that not only is Rick Grimes not going to die but they have 3 movies planned with him. We still don't know anything bout whether or not their is going to be a new Star Wars trilogy with Rian Johnson. Studio's and networks don't have to say anything until they want and for all we know nobody has even asked them to comment on it. PLus this is still pretty new rumor. I don't even think it's a week old at this point. I mean anything really possible.
As Nth Doctor said above, the BBC is not Marvel or AMC. BBC is required to provide honesty to the public. That's why they announced Eccleston's departure when only two or three episodes of his season aired, the story was going to be announced by tabloids anyway and the only legal way BBC can prevent that is to make an official announcement themselves. Likewise, when the missing episode rumours began in 2013, BBC weren't ready to reveal what was available, so they issued a vague non-denial statement which was basically "we can't comment at this time" in another effort to take the wind out of the sails of the tabloids and rumour mongering. And you'll note that every time another missing episode rumour has cropped up since, there's been no statement from the BBC about them, and the rumours have turned out to be false. The fact that BBC is making no effort to dispel these rumours of Chibnall and Whittaker's potential departure is proof positive that the rumours are false. If there was any truth to it, BBC would have provided some sort of statement to the public by now.
 
How about Neil Cross (Luther)?

That said, I'd like Chibbers to stay a bit longer, so hoping there's nothing to these rumours. He's done a good thing by slowing the pace, pulling the Doctor back from the grandstanding and bringing back historicals, he just needs to realise we like a bit of action and a villain for the Doctor to defeat. If he lets other writers have a few more eps or brings back more of the style he used in The Woman Who Fell To Earth, he'll be fine.
 
I have no proof of this but my feeling is that the problem is the BBC. They want a known, successful name as showrunner but the known, successful writers/producers have their own things they want to be getting on with. Which is why the ones we've had so far were die hard fans who credit Doctor Who for making them want to be writers in the first place. Newer, lesser known writers may be interested but who knows.

But how much attention does the show runner really get? Yes there are a few that get attention but at the same it's because they've developed the show to start with (Joss Whedon, Donald Bellsario, Dick Wolfe, Shondra Rhimes) but in this case we're talking about a show where they are brought to run an existing property and most people probably chouldn't name the show runner or even care.

I knew of Moffat from Sherlock, Chibbnail from Broadchurch but that had zero influence on whether I watch Doctor Who or not.
 
I stopped reading when you wrote “I had a feeling this would happen”

Literally nothing has happened. Except for rumors.

And, it’s been 13 years, can we learn to spell Eccelston’s name correctly? (Ok, I skimmed more)

I did.
It’s the same as the cake full of currants. Ecclestone.
 
I did.
It’s the same as the cake full of currants. Ecclestone.

Is this a joke? Or are you just being disrespectful to him? You’re factually wrong how to spell his name. It’s not hard to find the correct spelling. It’s not hard to spell correctly. So, why?
 
Is this a joke? Or are you just being disrespectful to him? You’re factually wrong how to spell his name. It’s not hard to find the correct spelling. It’s not hard to spell correctly. So, why?

I'm guessing joke since the spelling of the name was brought up earlier. A kind of call back of sorts. I am not sure though what currants is.


Jason
 
Of course you could argue maybe he doesn't need to be, and maybe we do need a different way of doing things,

Given the lengths the BBC went to to get Chibnall I can't imagine there's any appetite on their behalf to lose him, so if (huge if) there's any truth to the rumour then it can only be down to him not enjoying the role rather than any other reason.

I'll be amazed if there aren't some changes for his and Jodie's 2nd season though(spreading his episodes out more, the return of a season long arc like Bad Wolf, and Daleks and/or Cybermen--or more likely both)
I agree with what you write. Perhaps the problem lies within the idea of the "showrunner" running it all? Maybe going back to the old split between script editor and producer? I don't know if the showrunner format is the norm for the BBC or not. Would it be difficult to use the old model, with whatever changes are needed for modern times. It's a steep hill for an individual to be great at both skills. That might be the wall we're running into here. I can imagine that's much more difficult for DW than most series.

As for Chibnall's second season. If the non-Chibnall scrips were just more different than the Chibnall scripts, and they were spread out more, that would do wonders right there. Bonus points if Chibnall writes several fewer scripts as well.

I don't see other huge changes coming up for the second season. Agree that they won't be in a hurry for Chibnall to go!
 
Capaldis season is where I saw it wandering, and felt that we only had maybe one doctor after him before another ‘break’.
Still not really "calling it" given that we'll have at least 5 years of Doctor Who after that point.

Shoot, I can make a prediction for any TV series that it will be cancelled at some vague point in the future, and always be correct! Five years in TV land is a very long time! And, DW might keep going after that point for all we know.
 
My largest concern about the show right now isn’t this rumor. It’s that a lot of the folks I know who were jazzed for Jodie, watched the pilot and talked about getting back into Who after dropping off after with late-Smith/Capaldi, have sort of gone radio silent on the show. I don’t think it’s a question of quality, I’ve not seen a lot of complaints from those folks. Just... silence.

I can't speak to specific individuals that you might be thinking of when you write that, but in general, that's how it happens when someone stops watching a show. We're used to hate watching and endless negative reviews on the Internet. But, in reality, when viewers simply tire of watching a show they once enjoyed, the just stop watching without fanfare. Silence is what you'd expect in most cases.
 
I agree with what you write. Perhaps the problem lies within the idea of the "showrunner" running it all? Maybe going back to the old split between script editor and producer? I don't know if the showrunner format is the norm for the BBC or not. Would it be difficult to use the old model, with whatever changes are needed for modern times. It's a steep hill for an individual to be great at both skills. That might be the wall we're running into here. I can imagine that's much more difficult for DW than most series.

As for Chibnall's second season. If the non-Chibnall scrips were just more different than the Chibnall scripts, and they were spread out more, that would do wonders right there. Bonus points if Chibnall writes several fewer scripts as well.

I don't see other huge changes coming up for the second season. Agree that they won't be in a hurry for Chibnall to go!
I'm also not sure about the norms of British television, but I agree that going back to a separate script editor and producer format might be beneficial for the show. Shows like Luther and Downton Abbey immediately come to mind of a single person in dual roles, but I'm sure those aren't inherently representative either.
 
I can't speak to specific individuals that you might be thinking of when you write that, but in general, that's how it happens when someone stops watching a show. We're used to hate watching and endless negative reviews on the Internet. But, in reality, when viewers simply tire of watching a show they once enjoyed, the just stop watching without fanfare. Silence is what you'd expect in most cases.

Yes, I’m aware. But I’m talking about folks with whom I converse about TV and movies on the regular. I actually had a small game day today and took something of a temperature of the group and mainly found folks who were time-delaying the season until it was on streaming. And anecdotal “bad nights.” Of the one person most excited for and enticed back by the prospect of a woman in the role, I found the answer was they “just forgot” it was back on after the pilot. Which... says a lot. Just a general observation about the enthusiasm level as I see it, which has somewhat fallen off despite the initial push for this season.
 
I'm guessing joke since the spelling of the name was brought up earlier. A kind of call back of sorts. I am not sure though what currants is.


Jason

Yuh. I kinda did stick an e on the end by accident. But hey, my netiquette is nineties, and it ain’t

Is this a joke? Or are you just being disrespectful to him? You’re factually wrong how to spell his name. It’s not hard to find the correct spelling. It’s not hard to spell correctly. So, why?

Disrespect ot eccelston either.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001172/

Oh and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccles_cake


https://www.dictionary.com/browse/currant

Y’know, I should probably refuse to discuss British cultural artefacts with people who don’t know what an Eccles cake is. They probably put the tea in the milk, and have never had a faggot with mash and gravy, so it lacks a certain charm.
 
Yes, I’m aware. But I’m talking about folks with whom I converse about TV and movies on the regular. I actually had a small game day today and took something of a temperature of the group and mainly found folks who were time-delaying the season until it was on streaming. And anecdotal “bad nights.” Of the one person most excited for and enticed back by the prospect of a woman in the role, I found the answer was they “just forgot” it was back on after the pilot. Which... says a lot. Just a general observation about the enthusiasm level as I see it, which has somewhat fallen off despite the initial push for this season.

That’s me. Just not feeling it this time out the gate. No excitement, like that time Amy had her eyes closed and Matt had a jacket discontinuity. The growth between circa eighty eight and last Christmas is just gone. There’s no meat in this pudding, and a shedload of kidney.
 
Yuh. I kinda did stick an e on the end by accident. But hey, my netiquette is nineties, and it ain’t



Disrespect ot eccelston either.
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001172/

Oh and

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccles_cake


https://www.dictionary.com/browse/currant

Y’know, I should probably refuse to discuss British cultural artefacts with people who don’t know what an Eccles cake is. They probably put the tea in the milk, and have never had a faggot with mash and gravy, so it lacks a certain charm.

Yeah, and in the US, the f word is also considered a slur.

So, yeah maybe you shouldn’t discuss British cultural artifacts.
 
Still not really "calling it" given that we'll have at least 5 years of Doctor Who after that point.

Shoot, I can make a prediction for any TV series that it will be cancelled at some vague point in the future, and always be correct! Five years in TV land is a very long time! And, DW might keep going after that point for all we know.

I predicted one more Doctor. A new McCoy era essentially, now the anniversary love affair is over. We even had grumpy alien Doctor, continuity porn, schedule jumping and a hiatus.
I will be happy to be wrong, I ain’t some Johnny come lately to this fandom, but if it goes, then yes, I called it.
Break out the Jimi, cos all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again. It’s like RTD, Moff, and Chib are like some trinity second coming of JNT.
 
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