Serenity vs. Star Trek

[Admiral Buzzkill]

...nobody cares about Serenity.

And wrong again, as this topic itself conclusively demonstrates.

And wrong again, as this topic itself conclusively demonstrates.

This topic indicates nothing of that sort.

Actually one hundred-and some posts in a thread about Star Trek vs Serenity where more than half are defending Serenity very obviously does show that people care about Serenity...

Yeah, it's hard to see how someone could miss that.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I for one will be happy to concede that Serenity is not to everyone's tastes and that more than likely the majority of people do not enjoy it, or at least do not enjoy it as much as my fellow Browncoats and I do.

Yeah, that's pretty clearly true as well.

I reject wholeheartedly the inference that this means that Serenity/Firefly is of poor quality...

That would be a fairly dumb inference to draw, yeah. Using such reasoning, after all, one can "prove" that even unadjusted for inflation both "Armageddon" and "Independence Day" are vastly better films than Star Trek.

 

[miniglik]

I for one will be happy to concede that Serenity is not to everyone's tastes and that more than likely the majority of people do not enjoy it, or at least do not enjoy it as much as my fellow Browncoats and I do.

Yeah, that's pretty clearly true as well.

I reject wholeheartedly the inference that this means that Serenity/Firefly is of poor quality...

That would be a fairly dumb inference to draw, yeah. Using such reasoning, after all, one can "prove" that even unadjusted for inflation both "Armageddon" and "Independence Day" are vastly better films than Star Trek.

And Titanic is the Best. Movie. Ever.

Also, this proves American Idol is a vastly superior show to every Trek show ever made.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I for one will be happy to concede that Serenity is not to everyone's tastes and that more than likely the majority of people do not enjoy it, or at least do not enjoy it as much as my fellow Browncoats and I do.

Yeah, that's pretty clearly true as well.

I reject wholeheartedly the inference that this means that Serenity/Firefly is of poor quality...

That would be a fairly dumb inference to draw, yeah. Using such reasoning, after all, one can "prove" that even unadjusted for inflation both "Armageddon" and "Independence Day" are vastly better films than Star Trek.

And Titanic is the Best. Movie. Ever.

Also, this proves American Idol is a vastly superior show to every Trek show ever made.

In fact, such reasoning can "prove" that Trek is not even among the top two or three hundred "best tv shows" in American history.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Orci and Kurtzman are scriptwriting gods compared to whoever wrote Serenity.

Orci and Kurtzman wrote Transformers. They could end up writing a movie that would one day be hailed as the new Citizen Kane, and it still wouldn't wash off the stench of being associated with Michael Bay. Scriptwriting gods indeed.

Um unless Bay uses

- Fatass Galvatron

- space bunnies

- Optimus Prime the self-sacrificing even when the plot device that can fix the situation WITHOUT his dying is in the same room RIGHT FRAKKIN NEXT TO HIM! leader

- Optimus Prime being resurrected by the power of Kissing

- Galvatron dying by the power of holding hands in a circle.

- Megatron etting a new paint job then calling himself Galvatron WITHOUT any kind of noticable upgrade

- Super deformed Beast Wars characters

- Megatron turning to Galvatron then going back to Megatron then going back to Galvatron then going back to Megatron then going back to Galvatron

- Pokemonlike robot minions

I would give him some slack.

 

[miniglik]

Orci and Kurtzman are scriptwriting gods compared to whoever wrote Serenity.

Orci and Kurtzman wrote Transformers. They could end up writing a movie that would one day be hailed as the new Citizen Kane, and it still wouldn't wash off the stench of being associated with Michael Bay. Scriptwriting gods indeed.

Um unless Bay uses

- Fatass Galvatron

- space bunnies

- Optimus Prime the self-sacrificing even when the plot device that can fix the situation WITHOUT his dying is in the same room RIGHT FRAKKIN NEXT TO HIM! leader

- Optimus Prime being resurrected by the power of Kissing

- Galvatron dying by the power of holding hands in a circle.

- Megatron etting a new paint job then calling himself Galvatron WITHOUT any kind of noticable upgrade

- Super deformed Beast Wars characters

- Megatron turning to Galvatron then going back to Megatron then going back to Galvatron then going back to Megatron then going back to Galvatron

- Pokemonlike robot minions

I would give him some slack.

 

[Gepard]

Yeah, that's pretty clearly true as well.



That would be a fairly dumb inference to draw, yeah. Using such reasoning, after all, one can "prove" that even unadjusted for inflation both "Armageddon" and "Independence Day" are vastly better films than Star Trek.

And Titanic is the Best. Movie. Ever.

Also, this proves American Idol is a vastly superior show to every Trek show ever made.

In fact, such reasoning can "prove" that Trek is not even among the top two or three hundred "best tv shows" in American history.

Clearly. On the flip side, if ratings and profits != quality, it's possible that Trek XI isn't a very good movie.

 

[Lindley]

It's about posters who didn't like Serenity and cannot accept that some people do.

To be fair, there are some people who like Serenity that cannot accept that some people don't as well.

Both viewpoints are equally asinine.

 

[Arlo]

Count me in as a fan of both.

I saw Serenity, really enjoyed it, and was then intrigued by the universe. After watching one episode, I immediately bought the DVD set, and have seen them dozens of times now.

Whedon isn't to everyone's taste, to be sure, and sometimes his dialog can be a bit cutesy; but the man has a unique style and approach to storytelling that I find refreshing. Even Dollhouse, which I suffered through at first, slowly built up to be quite interesting by season's end.

Trek, for all my love of it, had become television (and film) by committee. There is no one voice that carries through the properties distinctly, save for the stagey Trek "style". ST09 is a game changer in that regard, and I hope JJ's voice carries through with the sequels, as it will lend a sense of cohesion that I think Trek lost along the way.

 

[Sci]

Orci and Kurtzman wrote Transformers. They could end up writing a movie that would one day be hailed as the new Citizen Kane, and it still wouldn't wash off the stench of being associated with Michael Bay. Scriptwriting gods indeed.

(To be fair, Joss Whedon co-wrote the awful Alien Ressurection, but at least it's no Transformers.)

To be fair to Whedon, his script was pretty much pissed on by the director.

Was it? Well then, what did he have planned for the movie?

I haven't read it in forever, but he talks about his experience in Alien Resurrection either in his 2001 interview with the Onion AV Club or with its expansion.

 

[Lindley]

Serenity worldwide - $38,869,464
Star Trek worldwide - $324,152,393

[Mal]You sayin' that 'cause you think I don't know?[/Mal]

The really ironic thing about the respective box office takes is how well they reflect the philosophies of their respective franchises. Star Trek is about the big, massive Federation, with its huge starships, 1000-man crews, and leaders who change history. Serenity is about the underdogs who lost a war, and are now scraping by with the minimum success necessary to stay "in the black" (pun intentional). The commercial difficulty of the property resonates so well with the theme of it that I have to wonder if it would be half as appealing had it been a breakout hit....

 

[DWF]

Serenity worldwide - $38,869,464
Star Trek worldwide - $324,152,393

[Mal]You sayin' that 'cause you think I don't know?[/Mal]

The really ironic thing about the respective box office takes is how well they reflect the philosophies of their respective franchises. Star Trek is about the big, massive Federation, with its huge starships, 1000-man crews, and leaders who change history. Serenity is about the underdogs who lost a war, and are now scraping by with the minimum success necessary to stay "in the black" (pun intentional). The commercial difficulty of the property resonates so well with the theme of it that I have to wonder if it would be half as appealing had it been a breakout hit....

Star Trek's philosophy is a humanist one whereas Firefly is a part of Whedon's absurdist philosophy, but I don't think that maters to the people seeing the movies. Star Trek is a bigger name than Firefly and appeals to more people generally speaking and the trailers were well made they explained enough of the plot to get people interested.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Orci and Kurtzman wrote Transformers. They could end up writing a movie that would one day be hailed as the new Citizen Kane, and it still wouldn't wash off the stench of being associated with Michael Bay. Scriptwriting gods indeed.

Um unless Bay uses

- Fatass Galvatron

- space bunnies

- Optimus Prime the self-sacrificing even when the plot device that can fix the situation WITHOUT his dying is in the same room RIGHT FRAKKIN NEXT TO HIM! leader

- Optimus Prime being resurrected by the power of Kissing

- Galvatron dying by the power of holding hands in a circle.

- Megatron etting a new paint job then calling himself Galvatron WITHOUT any kind of noticable upgrade

- Super deformed Beast Wars characters

- Megatron turning to Galvatron then going back to Megatron then going back to Galvatron then going back to Megatron then going back to Galvatron

- Pokemonlike robot minions

I would give him some slack.

Basically its the stuff done in the Japanese G1 series and the Unicron Triliogy as well as one of their Beast Wars mangas.

 

[pookha]

Serenity worldwide - $38,869,464
Star Trek worldwide - $324,152,393

[Mal]You sayin' that 'cause you think I don't know?[/Mal]

The really ironic thing about the respective box office takes is how well they reflect the philosophies of their respective franchises. Star Trek is about the big, massive Federation, with its huge starships, 1000-man crews, and leaders who change history. Serenity is about the underdogs who lost a war, and are now scraping by with the minimum success necessary to stay "in the black" (pun intentional). The commercial difficulty of the property resonates so well with the theme of it that I have to wonder if it would be half as appealing had it been a breakout hit....

actually the federation gets humbled on a pretty regular basis by some superiour alien race and the are reminded of how far they have to go to achieve certain ideals.


as far as the question..
i liked firefily but could leave serenity.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

actually the federation gets humbled on a pretty regular basis by some superiour alien race and the are reminded of how far they have to go to achieve certain ideals.

Not in the 24th century. By then, the superior aliens are intellectually and morally inferior to humans - like "Q" for example.

 

[pookha]

that didnt happen with q until mid part of tng and then we see a return to how things started out in all good things..

anyway i am thinking more of the tos era.
:P

 

[Welshie]

actually the federation gets humbled on a pretty regular basis by some superiour alien race and the are reminded of how far they have to go to achieve certain ideals.

Not in the 24th century. By then, the superior aliens are intellectually and morally inferior to humans - like "Q" for example.

Intellectually inferior? Q? Morally, he's about on their level... self-righteous, a bit of a prick, but not malicious overall.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Intellectually inferior? Q? Morally, he's about on their level... self-righteous, a bit of a prick, but not malicious overall.

Absolutely. Picard has to instruct him on just about everything regarding human beings, and "Q" has the temperment of a child. Picard has the arrogance at one point to suggest that the "human condition" is somehow too complex for a godlike being who can manipulate the whole Universe to grasp.

Roddenberry's entire conception of "Q" was insufferably smug.

 

[Cyrus]

I didn't care for Buffy or Firefly but I liked Serenity. It wasn't as good as STXI, but still a pretty good movie. After seeing Serenity I decided to give Firefly a second chance, and this time I liked it more (it also helped that I saw it in HD), it was a decent series.

 

[Infern0]

Ok here are my views

Serenity:

Likes - Summer Glau and Jewel Staite are the best eye candy of either film. Jayne Cobb is the best Character of either film. The film is good if you have seen the series.

Dislikes - Many characters are a waste of space, the only ones who matter are pretty much Mal and River. Joss Whedons massively overrated abilities are exposed with juvinile writing and scenes.

Star Trek

Likes - The cast all do a good job with their acting, it's a film anyone can enjoy.
Dislikes - Kirk and Spock are the only real important characters, there are a few plot holes.

Basic summary, but Star Trek wins by a wide UD