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Section 31 poll
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Fixed that for ya
Please don't in the future.
If you wish to comment on my posts, please do, but don't put your own words in my mouth.
The concept was interesting on DS9, but on Enterprise it was annoying, STiD doubly so.
I respect Gene Roddenberry and his vision of a utopian future, but IMHO section 31 gave a little more depth to what could have become an increasingly bland utopian fantasy.
Maintain against things like S31, not by them. And if S31 can exist in Federation for centuries and have considerable influence (and their own secret super ships!) then the Federation is basically a lie.
You must be the last person to have figured that out.
Even in a perfect world, someone has to handle the sanitation.
That was my point, that S31 isn't a necessity, but rather something to be fought against.
And someone will - Starfleet Intelligence.
Whatever needs to be done, and deserves to be done, SI can do. If they can't do it, then it shouldn't - it MUST not - happen.
It isn't so much a lie, as it (with section 31) is just a little more a real place.
And with section 31 there is a back-up plan.
Just no. We don't need that sort of cynical 'realism' in Star Trek. If Star Trek can't be optimistic, then there is no point in Star Trek.
Right. And here we are. Even though they're obviously bad guys, some people will always think they serve a purpose and basically agree with them.
I say underpin since I don't rate Federation values as snow white
The assumption being Starfleet Intelligence or Federation intelligence operates morally. I bet there is also an Aenar selling ice caves on Andoria to offworlders.
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^ Nobody's perfect. 
But at least Starfleet, and all of its associated sub-entities, are accountable to the Federation government. They have to justify their existence and budgets. They are subordinate not only to the government, but to the Federation citizenry at large. Their actions are public knowledge. Absolutely NONE of these criteria apply to Section 31.
Starfleet Intelligence may not always operate on a strictly moral level - but they're far more trustworthy to do so than Section 31 ever could be. (To put it another way: SI isn't always moral, but Section 31 never is.) That alone makes SI better.
But at least Starfleet, and all of its associated sub-entities, are accountable to the Federation government. They have to justify their existence and budgets. They are subordinate not only to the government, but to the Federation citizenry at large. Their actions are public knowledge. Absolutely NONE of these criteria apply to Section 31.
Starfleet Intelligence may not always operate on a strictly moral level - but they're far more trustworthy to do so than Section 31 ever could be. (To put it another way: SI isn't always moral, but Section 31 never is.) That alone makes SI better.
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Well if Starfleet Intelligence is busy cleaning toilets, then no wonder they need a Section 31...!
They need someone to transport the poo from the body
Starfleet Intelligence could easily go rogue too. It wouldn't be that hard to fool the politicians if an intelligence chief did decide to go maverick and (unlike in Pegasus) was clever about it.
That's the thing with intelligence services in full spectrum mass technological societies - they are very vulnerable to going rogue & there's often not alot an unwieldy, slow witted political executive can do about it. .
That's the thing with intelligence services in full spectrum mass technological societies - they are very vulnerable to going rogue & there's often not alot an unwieldy, slow witted political executive can do about it. .
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