News Section 31 is the next series, not set in "our world"

[Jayson1]

One reason I think they are going to go with a new timeline universe is it free's them up in the way the Kelvinverse movies were free to ignore canon. Even if they go to the mirror universe your still in a universe that has to someday have the TOS episode happen and also later the DS9 stuff. Technically they would have that freedom in the Kelvinverse as well but that isn't a new location and I don't think they would want to connect it to much to those movies and I still wonder about the rights and how much stuff they can even use from them or not. Better to start a whole new universe and maybe in this universe Section 31 finds Khan and he dies at the end of a episode. Maybe Lorca is captain of the Enterprise and she has to end up working with this guy whose version in her universe tried to kill her. Stuff like that.


Jason

 

[Lord Garth]

I lean towards a new timeline too. Specifically because -- if Section 31 is set in a Mirror Universe -- they won't want to worry about "How does this link up with TOS and DS9?" Because, if they don't create a new Mirror Timeline, then we know the Empire will still be around in at least 10 years' time, still doing its thing in "Mirror, Mirror".

 

[diankra]

Early on there was some comment about S31 centring on a "reformed Section 31". Could be that is reformed in both senses, Georgiou heading a new 31st Century Sectoon 31 that is closer to the original mission statement of promoting Federation ideals by any means.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Must it also be 25% different than Discovery?

 

[fireproof78]

If it's from the MU then it's 52%.

 

[Blue Squadron]

Even a writer wouldn't necessarily mean it in the sense of a universe. Often writer-producers talk about these things more in terms of their narrative relationships, whether the stories are closely related or separate.

Thanks -- yes, I agree; it seems most likely that it was used here in a very general sense rather than a specific "alternate universe" sense. Fandom can be very literal sometimes, pouncing on what may be seen as every last perceived nuance (!).

I totally take your point that even writers wouldn't necessarily mean it in the narrow way that it was interpreted.

Rather, I was thinking that, as someone whose primary focus is costume design, Phillps' use of words was perhaps even less likely to carry any loaded significance!

 

[thribs]

She’s with Loki in the TVA.

 

[cultcross]

We had this exact same misinterpretation about "the world of Discovery" when season one aired. The reference is not to an in story multiverse, but to a particular production's look, feel, characters, plots, etc.

Doesn't preclude a multiverse setting for s31 show of course, but that isn't what is meant here.

 

[Sketcher]

It'd be interesting if the Section 31 show was set in the 24th or 25th century. That way it could loop in Bashir somehow. And maybe Tyler could be there since he's still technically Klingon and wouldn't age as fast.

 

[Jayson1]

But if they go to the 24th century and are saying it's Prime then this would put it in the Picard setting which actually isn't that bad of a idea. Though I don't want Bashir head of Section 31. To me that feels like something the character would never do. I kind of like the idea better if they made Garak a series regular who is called back into the spying business because of plot reasons and also maybe what Section 31 is doing is vital to the security of Carddissia. Bashir would then be a guest star or reacurring character who works with Section 31 at times but still has lines he will not cross.


Jason

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'd prefer Section 31 to be in the same time frame as Picard.

Then they can do cross overs, bring back old cast members, etc.

 

[NCC-73515]

Perhaps she'll go to Yor's time and we see TNG S1 uniforms all over the place

 

[Rhodan]

Perhaps she'll go to Yor's time and we see TNG S1 uniforms all over the place

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[KepperC]

Many of us have assumed it's set on Earth, but it could be set anywhere and at any time, the only thing is it's when Prime and Mirror universes were "aligned".

 

[Dukhat]

Many of us have assumed it's set on Earth, but it could be set anywhere and at any time, the only thing is it's when Prime and Mirror universes were "aligned".

What that seems to imply is that there was a point where the prime universe and the mirror universe were identical, before some divergence point happened, like with the Kelvin universe. However, based on the opening credits of the ENT mirror universe two-parter, that point would have been at least by WWI, and definitely by the 1969 moon landings based on the Terran Empire symbols and flag. However, I don't think that the S31 showrunners are going to care about that information, or at best invalidate it.

 

[Jinn]

What that seems to imply is that there was a point where the prime universe and the mirror universe were identical, before some divergence point happened, like with the Kelvin universe. However, based on the opening credits of the ENT mirror universe two-parter, that point would have been at least by WWI, and definitely by the 1969 moon landings based on the Terran Empire symbols and flag. However, I don't think that the S31 showrunners are going to care about that information, or at best invalidate it.

According to Phlox prime Shakespeare was similar to the mirror one, so maybe the divergence point happened not all that long before Shakespeare?

 

[Dukhat]

According to Phlox prime Shakespeare was similar to the mirror one, so maybe the divergence point happened not all that long before Shakespeare?

Setting a Star Trek show during Shakespearian times would be quite boring, IMHO.

 

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What that seems to imply is that there was a point where the prime universe and the mirror universe were identical, before some divergence point happened, like with the Kelvin universe. However, based on the opening credits of the ENT mirror universe two-parter, that point would have been at least by WWI, and definitely by the 1969 moon landings based on the Terran Empire symbols and flag. However, I don't think that the S31 showrunners are going to care about that information, or at best invalidate it.

Or before the continents formed

 

[Christopher]

Many of us have assumed it's set on Earth, but it could be set anywhere and at any time, the only thing is it's when Prime and Mirror universes were "aligned".

More aligned. Remember, David Croenenberg's character explained in both of his appearances that the Mirror Universe has somehow drifted so far "away" from the Prime Universe in some multidimensional sense that it's impossible to reach anymore the way it could be reached in the 23rd-24th centuries -- which is why they couldn't send Georgiou back to the MU to fix her cosmic-rejection problem. So "a time when the universes were more aligned" could be anywhere in the vicinity of the 23rd-24th centuries or some time afterward.

According to Phlox prime Shakespeare was similar to the mirror one, so maybe the divergence point happened not all that long before Shakespeare?

You should never trust the version of history presented by a dictatorship. It's a given that they've distorted it to fit their ideology and suppress ideas that could threaten their power. Many dictatorships just destroy history, art, and literature altogether so that people don't get inspired to think for themselves or assert their rights. So I assume that the Empire has rewritten things like Shakespeare and the rest of the historical record to suit their agendas, and nothing we've been shown about the MU's history can be trusted.

 

[NCC-73515]

More aligned. Remember, David Croenenberg's character explained in both of his appearances that the Mirror Universe has somehow drifted so far "away" from the Prime Universe in some multidimensional sense that it's impossible to reach anymore the way it could be reached in the 23rd-24th centuries -- which is why they couldn't send Georgiou back to the MU to fix her cosmic-rejection problem. So "a time when the universes were more aligned" could be anywhere in the vicinity of the 23rd-24th centuries or some time afterward.

Still aligned.