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Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

A Section 31 series. Yay or nay?

  • Yay, a Section 31 series!

    Votes: 80 40.0%
  • Nay, give us anything else instead!

    Votes: 120 60.0%

  • Total voters
    200
I could have sworn this was already a thing back when Discovery got off the ground.
IIRC, back then there was talk of a TV miniseries about Khan, which when word began circulating of this audio drama, many assumed that was what the miniseries had evolved into.
 
It was actually going to be a live action show back when Discovery started.
IIRC, back then there was talk of a TV miniseries about Khan, which when word began circulating of this audio drama, many assumed that was what the miniseries had evolved into.
Ah, you are right. I’d forgotten about that. Got that mixed up somehow.

I will of course check this out, but I freely admit I'm probably too much of a “visual” guy to really engage with an audio drama. (Or “Scripted Podcast”, whatever the hell that’s supposed to be.) I barely if ever listen to any podcasts. And the only audio dramas I remember enjoying are the odd episodes of the Twilight Zone audio drama I listened to because it featured performers I like.

It remains to be seen what Meyer has done with this, but I gotta say, going from writing books and directing movies to producing an audio drama somehow feels like a step down. But I’ll try to remain open-minded about this and would love to be surprised.
 
Ah, you are right. I’d forgotten about that. Got that mixed up somehow.

I will of course check this out, but I freely admit I'm probably too much of a “visual” guy to really engage with an audio drama. (Or “Scripted Podcast”, whatever the hell that’s supposed to be.) I barely if ever listen to any podcasts. And the only audio dramas I remember enjoying are the odd episodes of the Twilight Zone audio drama I listened to, because it featured performers I like.

It remains to be seen what Meyer has done with this, but I gotta say, going from writing books and directing movies to producing an audio drama somehow feels like a step down. But I’ll try to remain open-minded about this and would love to be surprised.
The old NPR Star Wars audio dramas are worth checking out.
 
I will of course check this out, but I freely admit I'm probably too much of a “visual” guy to really engage with an audio drama.
I'm similar. I find I just can't really follow an audio storyline without a visual aid, I simply can't keep my attention focused if I'm just listening to something. One of the main reasons why I've never taken the plunge into the Doctor Who audio dramas, despite everyone's claims they contain some of that franchise's finest story material.
 
It remains to be seen what Meyer has done with this, but I gotta say, going from writing books and directing movies to producing an audio drama somehow feels like a step down. But I’ll try to remain open-minded about this and would love to be surprised.
I get the impression Meyer's no longer fully attached to it, since he only has a "Story By" credit while David Mack and Kirsten Beyer have the actual "Written By" credits.
 
I get the impression Meyer's no longer fully attached to it, since he only has a "Story By" credit while David Mack and Kirsten Beyer have the actual "Written By" credits.
They'll pull a "Lord of the Rings" where the character the work is named for is hardly in it and the audio drama's all about Alok Sahar. :lol:
 
Everyone complains about Empress Georgiou getting redemption somewhat in these movies, but it's also clear that the Mirror universe literally told her she would either have to be evil or die. It doesn't excuse her atrocities but how many of us might have unfortunately chosen to live instead of die for our beliefs? It's a situation no one should have to ever be put in.

Yet in a similar sci-fi heist movie, Guardians of the Galaxy, Yondu is romanticized despite being a child abusing slaver who arguably never really changed his ways and more importantly had no excuse for his crimes (he could've chosen not to do them and no one would've killed him). Yet Guardians of the Galaxy is considered one of the great films, James Gunn a genius, Yondu a beloved character, while Section 31 is treated as trash viewing (despite every one of the "Guardians" being even more obnoxious than anyone on S31).

Obviously I'm missing something.
 
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Everyone complains about Empress Georgiou getting redemption somewhat in these movies, but it's also clear that the Mirror universe literally told her she would either have to be evil or die. It doesn't excuse her atrocities but how many of us might have unfortunately chosen to live instead of die for our beliefs? It's a situation no one should have to ever be put in.

Yet in a similar sci-fi heist movie, Guardians of the Galaxy, Yondu is romanticized despite being a child abusing slaver who arguably never really changed his ways and more importantly had no excuse for his crimes (he couldn't chosen not to do them and no one would've killed him). Yet Guardians of the Galaxy is considered one of the great films, James Gunn a genius, Yondu a beloved character, while Section 31 is treated as trash viewing (despite every one of the "Guardians" being even more obnoxious than anyone on S31).

Obviously I'm missing something.
Not the biggest Gunn fan myself, but I’m gonna guess it has a lot to with the script and dialog of GotG actually being witty and clever and the characters being portrayed by more capable actors. But also, I can’t say I ever perceived Yondo as a “beloved character”. He was definitely all kinds of morally grey and corrupt. But at the same time they made sure he wasn’t just an evil monster, but had heart and genuinely seemed to have an inkling of caring about the boy he abducted and raised.

Plus, this is kind of comparing apples to oranges, because Yondo is not the protagonist of GotG and we are never asked to root for him.

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So no regular Blu-ray and DVD release, I take it?
 
Everyone complains about Empress Georgiou getting redemption somewhat in these movies, but it's also clear that the Mirror universe literally told her she would either have to be evil or die. It doesn't excuse her atrocities but how many of us might have unfortunately chosen to live instead of die for our beliefs? It's a situation no one should have to ever be put in.

Exactly. She's actually a fascinating character all things considered. Imagine one being put in essentially a large arena for 2 years where your choices are either give up and die, or fight and live and what it would take to be the one to survive and how that would affect and change a person.

She is what the Empire made her to be and no court in that land would have convicted her for her actions. She was exactly what she was groomed and expected to be. When her reign came to an end she was completely willing to accept her fate, to be judged for her crimes If you will, in the manner that her society would have expected. To her, the injustice and punishment was in being denied that fate that was expected of her, especially after being "infected" by a conscience, which would actually make her step back and consider the effects of her atrocities.

What we see of Georgiou moving forward isn't so much redemption as it is adjustment to her new home and how things are done there. We see the choices that she has made here and how her past has affected those choices, but I don't think redemption is something that either she or Sahar truly believe is possible for themselves.
 
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Everyone complains about Empress Georgiou getting redemption somewhat in these movies, but it's also clear that the Mirror universe literally told her she would either have to be evil or die. It doesn't excuse her atrocities but how many of us might have unfortunately chosen to live instead of die for our beliefs? It's a situation no one should have to ever be put in.

Yet in a similar sci-fi heist movie, Guardians of the Galaxy, Yondu is romanticized despite being a child abusing slaver who arguably never really changed his ways and more importantly had no excuse for his crimes (he could've chosen not to do them and no one would've killed him). Yet Guardians of the Galaxy is considered one of the great films, James Gunn a genius, Yondu a beloved character, while Section 31 is treated as trash viewing (despite every one of the "Guardians" being even more obnoxious than anyone on S31).

Obviously I'm missing something.
Same here. Though Yondu might be a poor comparison, since he wasn't the lead in GoTG. Loki is a better example as he goes from a dominating, devil may care attitude about killing, insensitive and cruel to a protagonist and welcomed in and I should care that Thanos killed him.

Yeah, I don't get it.
 
Everyone complains about Empress Georgiou getting redemption somewhat in these movies, but it's also clear that the Mirror universe literally told her she would either have to be evil or die. It doesn't excuse her atrocities but how many of us might have unfortunately chosen to live instead of die for our beliefs? It's a situation no one should have to ever be put in.

Yet in a similar sci-fi heist movie, Guardians of the Galaxy, Yondu is romanticized despite being a child abusing slaver who arguably never really changed his ways and more importantly had no excuse for his crimes (he could've chosen not to do them and no one would've killed him). Yet Guardians of the Galaxy is considered one of the great films, James Gunn a genius, Yondu a beloved character, while Section 31 is treated as trash viewing (despite every one of the "Guardians" being even more obnoxious than anyone on S31).

Obviously I'm missing something.

Michelle Yeoh has described S31 as a cross between Trek and GotG.
 
Michelle Yeoh has described S31 as a cross between Trek and GotG.
Which I don't really feel is an accurate description as the tones of the two movies are completely different. It's possible she's just trying to promote another movie that she's in (Vol 2).:lol: I think it's more of a cross between Star Trek and Mission Impossible.
 
Which I don't really feel is an accurate description as the tones of the two movies are completely different. It's possible she's just trying to promote another movie that she's in (Vol 2).:lol: I think it's more of a cross between Star Trek and Mission Impossible.

MI has come up too.
 
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