Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread

[eschaton]

What "memberberries" (hate that term, case in point) were in Acolyte?

That's my point. It's very loosely connected to existing Star Wars canon, which is why it (apparently) had low ratings.

Mando is a partial exception, given it was the first thing, but otherwise, it seems higher ratings are associated with shows led by legacy characters with big fanbases (Boba, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka).

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

That's my point. It's very loosely connected to existing Star Wars canon, which is why it (apparently) had low ratings.

Mando is a partial exception, given it was the first thing, but otherwise, it seems higher ratings are associated with shows led by legacy characters with big fanbases (Boba, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka).

Ohhh, gotcha.
Which is weird to me then that Solo didn't do better. But then maybe that was simply a case of people not accepting anyone else but Ford in the role. Or, like anything, a million other factors that can't be distilled to a this or that situation.

Bringing it back to Section 31, if we follow the Star Wars thoughts, then, there's every reason to believe the distancing of the stronger Trek elements could make this very well received if not very likely watched by many.

 

[Yistaan]

Ohhh, gotcha.
Which is weird to me then that Solo didn't do better. But then maybe that was simply a case of people not accepting anyone else but Ford in the role. Or, like anything, a million other factors that can't be distilled to a this or that situation.

Bringing it back to Section 31, if we follow the Star Wars thoughts, then, there's every reason to believe the distancing of the stronger Trek elements could make this very well received if not very likely watched by many.

Obi-Wan had the benefit of being a new story involving Vader that wasn't done before. Ahsoka, despite complaints about the absurd survival of her character past the OT, also was a new story and had the first live action appearance of Thrawn.


There just wasn't that compelling a story in Solo that hadn't already been told before, and better, in the Legends books. Some stuff really is just needless. I suspect the Hunt for Gollum that's supposedly been announced will also flop for the same reason.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

There just wasn't that compelling a story in Solo that hadn't already been told before, and better, in the Legends books. Some stuff really is just needless. I suspect the Hunt for Gollum that's supposedly been announced will also flop for the same reason.

Something tells me the few readers of the Legends books weren't what made or broke the movie though.

 

[Yistaan]

Something tells me the few readers of the Legends books weren't what made or broke the movie though.

The backlash to a certain controversial movie released the year before that turned Luke Skywalker into a jerk might have.

And maybe studios mixed up Ford's success in other movies with the popularity of Han Solo as a character. Han Solo himself may not actually be big enough to draw in film viewers.

 

[fireproof78]

What "memberberries" (hate that term, case in point) were in Acolyte?

There were not any.

It was a unique standalone story. It was good, if a bit predictable.

It's not like any other SW story but it wasn't try to be. And to try to connect back to Section 31 I think that's a good thing.

 

[Jayson1]

What I think Star Wars fans wants is a return to basics, good vs evil, where good conquers evil with a noble hero but isn't boring like so many Jedi have become since the prequels. In essence someone like Luke and also at least one hip, cool character like Han Solo. Maybe one new iconic alien to the franchise we have never seen before.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

It was the farthest thing from anything Star Wars had done yet (on screen). No jedi, no light sabers, no swashbuckling heroics, barely a ship dogfight, no real crazy looking aliens, cynical and not very fun.

And the fans seemed to eat it up.

Your mileage may vary but it felt more Blade Runner than Star Wars to me. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Andor very much felt like Star Wars because the creators understood the universe and created things that felt like they fitted and added to it. The themes were a bit deeper but it very much felt like Star Wars.

 

[Turbo]

I know that the trailer was a lot of flash and little substance, but the fact that we're getting more of Georgiou's backstory makes me think the movie is ultimately going to be about further developing her character than simply a James Bond-ish action flick set in the Trek universe. I'm optimistic about it. Ultimately, the trailer did look fun.

 

[thribs]

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I had no expectations on what this would or would not be.

I like it, because it's so different. It's Star Trek, but different than regular Star Trek.

 

[Yistaan]

I know that the trailer was a lot of flash and little substance, but the fact that we're getting more of Georgiou's backstory makes me think the movie is ultimately going to be about further developing her character than simply a James Bond-ish action flick set in the Trek universe. I'm optimistic about it. Ultimately, the trailer did look fun.

There's a reason why TNG never revisited the Mirror Universe. It's just not plausible or believable. Mirror Georgiou's backstory by the very nature of how her universe is defined isn't going to be plausible or believable either.

It would be like Nintendo making a Bowser prequel movie for Super Mario Bros. The character is so cartoonish that only an extremely talented writer can make that premise work. And I'm just not sure, considering how absurdly the character of Mirror Georgiou was handled in the past, that this is suddenly going to be better.

 

[eschaton]

There's a reason why TNG never revisited the Mirror Universe. It's just not plausible or believable. Mirror Georgiou's backstory by the very nature of how her universe is defined isn't going to be plausible or believable either.

It would be like Nintendo making a Bowser prequel movie for Super Mario Bros. The character is so cartoonish that only an extremely talented writer can make that premise work. And I'm just not sure, considering how absurdly the character of Mirror Georgiou was handled in the past, that this is suddenly going to be better.

Frankly, I think Terra Firma 1/2 did a pretty good job already making Georgiou something more complicated than high camp. Part of the issue I have with the trailer, in fact, is it seems like the growth she had across that arc has been done away with, so she can be a "bad bitch" again - which was incredibly tiresome.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Which is weird to me then that Solo didn't do better. But then maybe that was simply a case of people not accepting anyone else but Ford in the role. Or, like anything, a million other factors that can't be distilled to a this or that situation.

Solo should've waited till next X-mas to air instead of airing 4-5 months after the last Star Wars movie.

 

[Yistaan]

Solo messed with Han Solo as a character. The whole concept of a life debt was because Han freed Chewie from slavery of his own free will, not out of convenience so not to get eaten. Han was banned from the Imperial military as a result and forced into a life of crime.


Just because that story is Legends doesn't mean it wasn't the better story. Lando was also turned into a jerk in the movie who cheated at cards. We got no insight on where the friendship alluded to in ESB was.

Honestly Han Solo is just not that compelling a character, even Harrison Ford has said as much over the years. A Star Wars movie focusing only on him wasn't going to be making the kind of money that the studio and Lawrence Kasdan genuinely seemed to think it would be making.

 

[Frontis]

For me Section 31 was never typically Star Trek, rather like some parallel story.
I like some of the episodes dealing with it though.

 

[Jayson1]

To me Section 31 was a perfect addition to DS9's approach to the Federation. The Federation and Earth was still a utopia but the series showed it was a utopia with some flaws. Things like The Maquis,Section 31 and some of the actions we saw them do in order to win the Dominion War reflected that. Not to mention the fact that by having some Non-Starfleet characters we love as equal to the Starfleet characters such as KIra,Odo,Quark,Garak etc allowed them to sort of challenge those traditional Starfleet ideas on how to deal with problems. Sisco's "It's easy to be a saint in Paradise" might as well be the mission statement for the whole show.

 

[fireproof78]

Solo messed with Han Solo as a character. The whole concept of a life debt was because Han freed Chewie from slavery of his own free will, not out of convenience so not to get eaten. Han was banned from the Imperial military as a result and forced into a life of crime.

Ok.

And the movie was a good story too.

These things are not mutually exclusive.

I know that the trailer was a lot of flash and little substance, but the fact that we're getting more of Georgiou's backstory makes me think the movie is ultimately going to be about further developing her character than simply a James Bond-ish action flick set in the Trek universe. I'm optimistic about it. Ultimately, the trailer did look fun.

The fact that they highlighted her past and history makes me think there is more to it, and, in my opinion, the film will be better for it. Georgiou is the "flower of humanity" that Spock refers to, a dark side that can be fought and become better.

It's a highlight to actually see a human grow, rather than just go "Well, it's a stupid action thing about Space Hitler."

Yeah, that ignores everything about the character.

 

[BillJ]

It's a highlight to actually see a human grow, rather than just go "Well, it's a stupid action thing about Space Hitler."

The "redemption" of Mirror Georgiou has left a sour taste in my mouth since they started playing with it. I think it is part of what has soured me on CBS Trek, as a whole.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm kinda curious what a Trekkie's ideal trailer would be. Long spaceship shots, clips of engineers reeling off technical specifications as music swells to a big warp jump finale?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'm kinda curious what a Trekkie's ideal trailer would be. Long spaceship shots, clips of engineers reeling off technical specifications as music swells to a big warp jump finale?

For a Section 31 TV series, something closer to ALIAS, but set in the Star Trek Universe in the Prime Timeline and around the appropriate era.

Spoiler: ABC's Alias TV Spots - Season One (2001 - 2002)

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