Seasons 1 & 2 Unwatchable?
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Denise Crosby asked to be released and thus the Producers killed off Tasha Yar.
The Berman-era had a knack for killing off characters who wanted to take a hiatus from the show (e.g. Terry Ferrell who went on to the show, "Becker." No reference was made during the closing flashback of Season 7 "Deep Space Nine").
I agree. From season 3 onward, everywhere they went the Federation had already been : /
Also, the music of season one is awesome. During the later seasons, it's aural wallpaper.
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Denise Crosby killed off Tasha Yar.
Denise Crosby asked to be released and thus the Producers killed off Tasha Yar.
The Berman-era had a knack for killing off characters who wanted to take a hiatus from the show (e.g. Terry Ferrell who went on to the show, "Becker." No reference was made during the closing flashback of Season 7 "Deep Space Nine").
They had a whole two-parter about avenging her death. The reason she didn't appear in the flashbacks was financial, bad-feelings from her side, and I believe some unresolved legal issues.
It is be more like TOS in tone. Only problem I have with it, is the over use of synthesizers.
Putting your entire family on a ship like the Federation flagship that's constantly in danger never made any sense to me. How can young children be expected to lay their lives down for the cause? How can their parents put them in the position that they could be assimilated by the Borg, kidnapped by Ferengi pirates or stabbed by Klingon invaders at any time? I'd be living in a state of constant fear for my family
The original concept for TNG was a city ship going out into the unknown for a decade or more and not coming back. In a case like that you bring your families - like a stage coach. That may seem insane to you, but it didn't seem that way to settlers a hundred years ago. And, in Trek terms, it's not any different than colonists on frontier worlds.
Unfortunately that's not the show we got and having a family on a ship in a simple patrol situation - like a submarine - really doesn't make sense. A lot of this was made even worse when they stopped saucer separating to do dangerous stuff. Chasing the Ferengi in Last Outpost? Why need the saucer? Going into a Nebula another ship never came back from in Hero Worship? Same. Speaking of the Vico, it's even dumber to expand the family stuff onto a minor science vessel with a crew of only 80. But that's what brain bugs are. They start benign - families on a long term exploration mission - and then spread out where they shouldn't have - families on every single ship.
I was never clear on whether the Vico was supposed to be a Starfleet ship or a civilian ship. If it's the latter, I can see rules being a bit more relaxed, especially if you're going to be gone from home for some time doing surveys, so bringing the kids along makes a bit more sense.
But I agree with you on saucer separation. One of the biggest headscratchers to me was way back in the first season - why not separate the ship, leaving the saucer in orbit of Angel One and take the battle section to the Neutral Zone? (Same goes for when they actually get to the Neutral Zone later in the season.) But we could go on and on with this one.
But I agree with you on saucer separation. One of the biggest headscratchers to me was way back in the first season - why not separate the ship, leaving the saucer in orbit of Angel One and take the battle section to the Neutral Zone? (Same goes for when they actually get to the Neutral Zone later in the season.) But we could go on and on with this one.
I never, ever understood that one. We never did learn what Jennifer's job was (if she had one) so it's possible that she was a civilian specialist working on the Saratoga, but considering that Joseph and Judith Sisko were definitely on Earth (and Sisko had two *other* brothers) surely someone could have cared for Jake while they were both on Starfleet missions.
And for crying out loud, before the battle with the invincible enemy, stick 'em in an escape pod. I guess it's just not standard procedure? Maybe this is why Dax "reminded" Keogh to leave the Odyssey's civilians on DS9 while they went to rescue Sisko and Quark from the Dominion. (Good call there, Dax.)
Families on ship seem to be some sort of 24th century philosophy designed to create clear blue water between it and the more utilitarian feel on TOS ships. This is Roddenberry's influence. Keeping the family unit in tact as some sort of effort to uphold morale. I presume you can have your family if both parents agree and they have the option of staying at home. So parents have to weigh up the risks and benefits.
We arrive in season one and the Federation seems to be enjoying an unprecedented era of peace and the ethos of the Enterprise reflects that. They haven't been warring with the Klingons for some twenty years, the Romulans have been hiding away for longer. I presume the Cardassians and other more minor powers are still a factor but the prevailing spirit of this time is a settled, secure and developed Federation.
Enterprise E, built in an era of war, is very cold and utilitarian. I can't remember families on that ship unless my memory fails me.
For me, saucer separation is a bit like landing the ship on a planet. It succeeds for individual scenes but is a somewhat gimmicky idea really that causes problems in trying to streamline future episodes. It's better drama to have the entire ship than merely half the ship in peril.
We arrive in season one and the Federation seems to be enjoying an unprecedented era of peace and the ethos of the Enterprise reflects that. They haven't been warring with the Klingons for some twenty years, the Romulans have been hiding away for longer. I presume the Cardassians and other more minor powers are still a factor but the prevailing spirit of this time is a settled, secure and developed Federation.
Enterprise E, built in an era of war, is very cold and utilitarian. I can't remember families on that ship unless my memory fails me.
For me, saucer separation is a bit like landing the ship on a planet. It succeeds for individual scenes but is a somewhat gimmicky idea really that causes problems in trying to streamline future episodes. It's better drama to have the entire ship than merely half the ship in peril.
Odyssey is seen removing most of its civilians and unnecessary people to DS9 before going to the Gamma Quadrant for its ill-fated encounter there. But even with that engagement, noone expected the ship to be destroyed.
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Started season 2 last night. I don't know what happened to the actors and writers between season 1 & 2, but the characters in season 2 start off like the characters I remember the rest of the series.
Love Season 1 and 2.
When you've seen every episode from every season of every show its fun to dip in when it's rough round the edges.
11001001 is probably in my TNG top 5 and Heart of Glory is a great episode. I love how the Klingons are portrayed. There was still a lot of mystery around them at this point.
Time Squared has a great setup/atmosphere unfortunately it is let down by an ending that makes no sense.
The Royale is my guilty pleasure.
When you've seen every episode from every season of every show its fun to dip in when it's rough round the edges.
11001001 is probably in my TNG top 5 and Heart of Glory is a great episode. I love how the Klingons are portrayed. There was still a lot of mystery around them at this point.
Time Squared has a great setup/atmosphere unfortunately it is let down by an ending that makes no sense.
The Royale is my guilty pleasure.
Klingons with a captain with a Klingon and Federation flag behind him - reminiscent of the "alliance" of the mirror universe. There was a mention of a "Federation Starfleet" too (rather than a "Klingon Starfleet"?).
However I love Worf's 10 minutes of staring at the Klingons then staring at Tasha then back to the Klingons then back to Tasha then off for an advert then back to Tasha then to the Klingons, waiting for the turbolift to arrive.
"Klingons do not take hostages, Cowards take hostages"
However I love Worf's 10 minutes of staring at the Klingons then staring at Tasha then back to the Klingons then back to Tasha then off for an advert then back to Tasha then to the Klingons, waiting for the turbolift to arrive.
"Klingons do not take hostages, Cowards take hostages"
That reminds me of the 2nd season episode where Worf takes command of the Enterprise wearing the outfit and all, trying to browbeat the old Klingon ship into standing down. Fun scenes.
Except it isn't just "missions," people live on these ships for multiple years, the whole time Sisko would be an absentee parent. It isn't a case of Sisko being able to dump Jake on relatives, likely he could have, Sisko should to be raising his own child.
People want to have their children with them
Some fans say that a number of the wreaked ship at wolf 359 had open life boat hatches, so (perhaps) some of the ship captains did evacuate their civilian personnel prior to the attack, for reasons unknown Jake didn't leave.
The universe of TNG seasons 1 or 2 was more rich. More mysterious. More a place where anything could happen. Where people were adult, complex, unpredictable.
A perfect example of the contrast is in the Riker/Data interactions in Hide and Q and The Bonding.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...-generation-season-1-episode-10-hide-and-q_tv (start around 37:03)
vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKCoD5Vh09c
I'll take that adult Data any day.
A perfect example of the contrast is in the Riker/Data interactions in Hide and Q and The Bonding.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2...-generation-season-1-episode-10-hide-and-q_tv (start around 37:03)
vs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKCoD5Vh09c
I'll take that adult Data any day.
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