Season 7...Love It? Or Hate It?

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  1. TheQman

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    Ok, let me first speak freely about it...personally I love it. It is, in my mind, some of the best Trek there is. In fact, it is my favorite season of any trek show. The acting, the story lines, the writing, the ambience...but I digress.

    With all of that said, I can see MANY reasons why some may hate it. It is arguably the most 'religious' of the seasons, it introduces Ezri, it is very war heavy, it has a long story arc at the end, and of course has the finale (some love it, some hate it). Now, personally, all of those things are what make me love S7. The final story arc is my favorite and I have lost count of the amount of times I've watched those episodes. I even have come to love the whole Dukat and Winn story, lol.

    So...what do you all think? Why do you love it? Or why do you hate it?...or why are you indifferent?
     
  2. thribs

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    How can anyone hate the season that introduces Ezri? Plus it had the baseball episode.
     
  3. TheQman

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    I know, right? LOL.
    But, I know there are fans out there that think it's terrible.
     
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    I don't hate it, but it was a significant dropoff in consistency from the previous two seasons. IMO, For the Cause to You Are Cordially Invited is the best, most consistent run of episodes in Star Trek.Then things went up and down. Season 7 has lots of awesome episodes, but it also has a few that are clearly inferior. Moreover, there are parts of the final arc that were obviously hastily improvised and required more development.

    That said, DS9 season 7 beats TNG season 7 and VOY season 7.
     
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    I'm a fan of long story arcs and the Cardassians are probably my favorite Trek villains. The Cardassia/Dominion storyline was enjoyable. Although to be frank I enjoyed the Shadows/Centauri storyline on Babylon 5 even more... Lots of parallels, although as they were set so late in each show I genuinely think the parallels were unintentional.
     
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  6. Bry_Sinclair

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    Love it! Especially as it gets closer to the finale and it just feels like one movie-length episode. It proved that Trek works fantastically as a continuing narrative as everything is just heightened. Plus we got Ezri, who was a great character who got some solid development in a short space of time and didn't detract from the pace of the show.
     
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  7. DonIago

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    There were missteps in the season, and perhaps there was a little too much Ezri focus (though I think many people exaggerate that). In particular I thought the final Sloan episode was deeply disappointing, and while there's a certain literary sensibility to how Sisko's arc plays out, I feel like there should have been more to it.

    All of that said, the final arc was some of Star Trek at its most ambitious, many of the stories worked well if not very well, and as always the strength of DS9 as an ensemble series is on obvious display here. And all that's on top of needing to introduce a major character somewhat out of the blue and make the audience care about her
     
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  8. JirinPanthosa

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    The final ten episodes are fantastic. The rest of the season in inconsistent and weak. Three episodes of forced catchup development for Ezri, a lot of forced cartoony attempts at humor episodes, and Field of Fire the embarrassing crime procedural is possibly the worst episode in the series. ("You see the smiling faces? THE KILLER IS A VULCAN! OMG such a profound Hannibal Lecter murderer insight only a Vulcan murderer could ever be triggered by smiling *facepalm*).

    Siege and Paper Moon are the only two genuinely good episodes in the season outside the final arc.
     
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  9. Tosk

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    Love. Not even a question for me, so many good eps in it.
     
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  10. Tenacity

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    Not having Ezri be a male was a small mistake, it's would have been more interesting, imho.

    Wrapping up the war earlier in the season would have been better, the last episode felt rushed. there would have been more time to wrap things up.
     
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  11. bigdaddy

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    Ezri was a great addition to the cast, and needed to be female because of the fact the show was very male heavy.

    I like the season, I just rewatched most of it. It's good, but i really hate the evil gods storyline.
     
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  12. Armus

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    Its a good season in its own right and its improvement over some of ds9's missteps in the previous seasons. Aside from The baseball episode and the mirror universe show, the writing seems less indulgent and more focused as the show was winding down, the characters are well utilized (Kira teaching the Cardassians how to be resistance fighters) and theres just the right amount of Garak, Leeta, Rom, and Jake. The Damar/Weyoun relationship is one of best relationships on the show and Ezri is such a welcome improvement over Jadzia.

    The religious stuff is a bit of stretch from where the show started and I wish Dukat's arc had been planned better but its all acted so well.
     
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  13. HugeLobes

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    I dislike Ezri. Character never felt real to me.

    I also wasn’t keen on section 32, but I think I’m the only one who doesn’t like them.

    Main problem is Sisko’s role as the emissary. Built up since episode one but culminated in such a ridiculous way. He basically just knocked Dukat over. Terrible.
     
  14. JirinPanthosa

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    I liked Ezri, but I hated the forced catchup development episodes at the start of season 7. She started being a good character in the final arc when she went to find Worf.
     
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    Big love on season 7 for me. They really delivered to the fans, and for that I'm grateful.
    I like Ezri but I wished they'd made her a science officer like Jadzia instead of counselor.
     
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  16. HugeLobes

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    Tbf, dax’s role as science officer felt a little redundant after they changed her character.
     
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    In Season 7, the war was pretty all-consuming. They had little need for an officer doing science full time.
     
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    I can get behind all of that. It did have some pretty lack luster episodes. But, the beginning and the final 10...amazing.

    Very true, I think the entire series story arc was great and this season wrapped (most) things up pretty well. And yes, I am a B5 fan as well, albeit a fairly new one. I just watched the whole series a few months ago. And I mean, obviously there was bound to be some crossover of stories there thanks to some (maybe a lot, but that's a whole different topic) idea snatching from B5 to be used in DS9.

    Yes, and yes. Story arcs can work amazingly well if done correctly in Trek. Season 3 of ENT may have taken it a bit too far, using the whole season...I think the 10 episode arc in DS9 was just right. And yes, Ezri was amazingly well developed with the amount of screen time they had to work with. Some of that was the acting, some the writing, and a good deal was the groundwork that was laid by the writing and acting for Jadzia. But, overall, I actually enjoyed Ezri slightly more as a character, likely due to the fact she had to struggle more than Jadzia did.

    Glad it's not just me...lol.
     
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    Yeah, it could be argued that there was too much Ezri. It could have been slightly more justified had they known there would be more seasons after, but we know they knew it was over. The final Sloan episode, while a good one, was slightly disappointing...I agree. I feel they humanized Section 31 a little too much (just like Trek has done with the Borg and 8472), thus wrecking some of the mystique. Sisko's story did kind of end more abruptly than I would have liked. But, overall, as you stated, the strength of the cast really shown through to make it all come together well.

    I can understand all of that. I guess they kind of had to try and develop Ezri...Field of Fire was a good way to show her darker side and also develop Joran a bit more. But, other than that, yeah it was a pretty weak episode. AR-558 and Paper Moon are amazing. They are so emotionally deep and are quite important to developing Nog, Ezri, and even showing some of Bashir and Sisko's gruffer/tougher sides in AR-558.

    I am quite pleased they chose another female. Like another poster said...it was a pretty male centric cast. Ezri also helped soften things a bit as she was slightly more feminine than the other female leads that were written. (and that's not meant as a dig toward Kira or Jadzia...they are amazing characters, written as amazingly bright and strong individuals)

    It did make up for some of the past, agreed. The writing was definitely more focused on the goal of character development and wrapping up the key series long stories. Of course...having the character dev a few seasons earlier would have been nice. I also love the Damar/Weyoun interplay. Damar is actually my favorite character in the whole show. How he developed and made the realization that he needed to rebel against the dominion...and then lay down his life to save his people...goosebumps every single time. Ezri is a wonderful addition...agreed. And finally, I actually enjoy the religious aspect, but I completely get that it really can feel weird in the Trek world.

    It was all amazing. But, I agree with one of the other posters who said that another science officer would be redundant and also the point about it being war time and perhaps a counselor was a good addition.
     
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  20. dub

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    I love the whole series. So I guess the answer is "love it." :luvlove:
     
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