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Season 6: Is it me?

If it doesn't relate to your human experience, you won't get anything out of it. However, in my opinion good fiction pushes the envelope of imagination just enough to make you think, otherwise it might as well be a history textbook. Why bother writing a fictional story if all you do is change the names and locations.
 
Season 6 is totally you! Not many can pull it off, but you rock it!

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Just saw Tapestry again for the first time in years.

Now THIS is more like it.

Loved it from start to finish. Best episode since Relics.

Picard's "It's A Wonderful Life." Loved it.

I wish the writers had followed up on the Lenarians that attacked Picard and his team.

Nah. If ever there's a Macguffin, it's this. Totally not even remotely what we were supposed to be focusing on. Besides, it reads as a slightly modified version of what happened to Riva's chorus in "Loud as a Whisper." Been there, done that.

They must've felt comfortable initially because it looked like Picard AND Riker were both down there.

...which makes the brazen assassination attempt on Picard all the more shocking.

Aside from the Borg, it looked like a pretty vicious attack and I would've liked to have seen them deal with them in the next episode.

It's interesting --I think they used the same "phaser burn" effect on Picard's uniform tunic here as the initial one used on Data's in "The Most Toys" when Fajo throws the acid drink on him.
 
I don't think good fiction necessarily has to relate to real human experiences but it certainly helps. And that's usually the goal of science fiction. It would be a greater feat though to write an engaging story about a creature completely unlike humans.

What I observed in that exchange in Face Of The Enemy is that this particular commander knew she had high up connections that made her harder to dispense with than the average Romulan.
 
A version of 'The Blob' in which the Blob is the hero would be fascinating.

Under The Skin. ;)

The alien wouldn't necessarily have to be hostile toward humans. Just a creature whose needs, instincts and values are completely unlike those of humans, written for an audience of its own kind. A story like that would be a fascinating read, if done really well. It could have a Foreword where a human archaeologist lands on a a long destroyed alien planet, digs up artifacts of their art and literature, and spends years trying to decode the language. The rest of the book is an alien novel he has translated. Or even a sampling of various short stories he's translated, so you could see this fictional culture from multiple perspectives. Like an alien Canterbury Tales.
 
I like it!

Odo is kind of a version of that take on the story, but he still had to be generally humanoid to be sympathetic. Which is a a narrative issue that DS9 at least attempted to address.

In reflection, I don't think they did that bad with it given that it really wasn't the main theme of the show.
 
A version of 'The Blob' in which the Blob is the hero would be fascinating.

Under The Skin. ;)

The alien wouldn't necessarily have to be hostile toward humans. Just a creature whose needs, instincts and values are completely unlike those of humans, written for an audience of its own kind. A story like that would be a fascinating read, if done really well. It could have a Foreword where a human archaeologist lands on a a long destroyed alien planet, digs up artifacts of their art and literature, and spends years trying to decode the language. The rest of the book is an alien novel he has translated. Or even a sampling of various short stories he's translated, so you could see this fictional culture from multiple perspectives. Like an alien Canterbury Tales.
Sounds like deja vu of Asimov's Nemesis, although it was only one long story. There's also the middle story of the Gods Themselves by the same Author.
 
I just saw Birthright I and II, and it was great.

First thing's first: Worf looked cool in all black.

Second, I would've liked to have seen Kurn involved, but then Worf probably didn't have a lot of time.

Third, Worf going on another personal side mission. This time, he goes to the Romulan border. Again, he leaves the Enterprise to go on a personal mission that could potentially have repercussions to the Federation. I do wonder whether Picard would really allow him to do this.

Fourth, does anyone think there might be a Prime Directive issue with Worf's manipulation of the Klingon-Romulan children?

Fifth, wasn't Worf's escape attempt laughable? He caused an explosion, causing everyone to look around for something wrong, and then tries to "jump over the fence" in broad daylight. Why not just avoid the explosion, leaving everyone to focus on their business, and quietly jump the fence? Or, wouldn't it have smarter to just jump the fence at night when everyone is sleeping?

I still enjoyed the hell out of this episode. It's probably the most watchable, involving episode of the season so far.
 
I just saw Birthright I and II, and it was great.

It's a good story, but it's one that unfortunately got stretched over the course of two episodes unnecessarily. The first crossover with DS9 is a big deal and is fun to see Picard and Crusher traipsing about on the Promenade, and it's nice seeing Bashir all googly-eyed over Data, but that part of the story is over and done with in Part I, leaving us with just the Worf A-story in Part II, which honestly I always felt could have been handled a little better. Always nice to see Cromwell too, but feels underused here given what a good actor he is. Hard to believe this was just a year or so before he'd win an Oscar!

I suspect this was all done to justify spending on the budget for extras, makeup, and all the new sets, but still... not one of TNG's best. Another redeeming quality: since this is likely about the only time we'll ever see Deep Space Nine in HD, I appreciate it for that as well.

First thing's first: Worf looked cool in all black.

Interesting. I assume you noticed he wears the same outfit in "Chain of Command" and later "Frame of Mind" -- the "Starfleet Rescue Uniform" as the action figures called it. Data, Crusher and Picard wore them as well! But yes -- Worf is a total badass here, at least visually. They even made an action figure of Worf from this episode, with all the gear we saw him using.

Second, I would've liked to have seen Kurn involved, but then Worf probably didn't have a lot of time.

Timing is everything. Also, we just don't know how close or how far the Carraya system is from the Kingon Empire, and more importantly, Kurn may well have been off captaining his own ship someplace else at the time.

Third, Worf going on another personal side mission. This time, he goes to the Romulan border. Again, he leaves the Enterprise to go on a personal mission that could potentially have repercussions to the Federation. I do wonder whether Picard would really allow him to do this.

Well... Picard did let him go, so... Yes, he would. I'm not sure I understand what "repercussions" for the Federation there might be. What do you mean, exactly?

Fourth, does anyone think there might be a Prime Directive issue with Worf's manipulation of the Klingon-Romulan children?

Nope. The Prime Directive is about non-interference with civilizations that are less advanced than ours. The idea being that we (Starfleet) don't have the right to insert ourselves or interrupt the natural development of a society less advanced than ours. These Klingons and Romulans were living with all the luxuries and accoutrements of the rest of the 24th century major players. If anything, it makes total sense for Worf to interfere because the whole damn place started out as a concentration camp! He goes there to rescue his father but finds out it's a whole different ball game going on there. The whole point about the episode, clumsy as it is, is that even Worf has to come to realize that yes, Klingons and Romulans can get along, it's just not something he's prepared for.

Worf in his singlemindedness, wants to bring these Klingons back to the Klingon Empire because he thinks they're all being held prisoner against their will. The truth as we learn is far from it -- this is a kind of utopia, where the prisoners and wardens have set aside their differences and built a life together (probably what Khan had in mind for Ceti Alpha 5) and more importantly, far removed from the bitter goings-on between Qo'nos and Romulus.

Fifth, wasn't Worf's escape attempt laughable? He caused an explosion, causing everyone to look around for something wrong, and then tries to "jump over the fence" in broad daylight. Why not just avoid the explosion, leaving everyone to focus on their business, and quietly jump the fence? Or, wouldn't it have smarter to just jump the fence at night when everyone is sleeping?

Oh, '90s syndicated TV. :lol: Again, this probably had as much to do with spending as anything else -- 1) they want you to "see" on screen where the money went, so it's during the day. 2) Shooting the escape at night would liklely have required another setup for the (production) day, and they probably didn't want to waste time with it because they probably figured it wouldn't matter. But yeah, for a tactical officer, he's not altogether very... tactical.

I still enjoyed the hell out of this episode. It's probably the most watchable, involving episode of the season so far.

We will have to agree to disagree.
 
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I just saw Birthright I and II, and it was great.

It's a good story, but it's one that unfortunately got stretched over the course of two episodes unnecessarily. The first crossover with DS9 is a big deal and is fun to see Picard and Crusher traipsing about on the Promenade, and it's nice seeing Bashir all googly-eyed over Data, but that part of the story is over and done with in Part I, leaving us with just the Worf A-story in Part II, which honestly I always felt could have been handled a little better.

Totally badass to see Picard and Beveryly casually strolling through DS9!!! Love it! A small character moment that does more to enhance the "world of Star Trek" than an epic drama would have.

Always nice to see Cromwell too, but feels underused here given what a good actor he is. Hard to believe this was just a year or so before he'd win an Oscar!
So that's who it was! I thought it was Rene Auberjoinis for a while. I had the volume turned low and had the "subtitles" on during this episode since everyone was sleeping and I didn't want to wake up the house. So I missed the "guest star" credits.

We will have to agree to disagree.
Thanks for a great response, but could you elaborate on the "agree to disagree" on it being the most watchable, involving episode so far? Which ones did you like?

I suppose I might have to slightly contradict myself since Relics really is my favorite episode of the season.
 
Well, for starters - I disagree that "Birthright, Part I" and "Birthright, Part II" are " the most enjoyable and most watchable" episodes of the season.

I'd give that accolade to several other episodes before these, many of which I've already explained why in this very thread:

"Relics"
"Chain of Command, Part II"
"Face of the Enemy"
"Tapestry"
"Schisms"
"Rascals"
"Frame of Mind"
"Timescape"
"Suspicions"
"Lessons"
"The Chase"
"A Fistful of Datas"
"Ship in a Bottle"
"Second Chances"

Hell, I'll even throw in "Time's Arrow, Part II" because it's just fun seeing the crew on 19th century Earth.
 
Well, for starters - I disagree that "Birthright, Part I" and "Birthright, Part II" are " the most enjoyable and most watchable" episodes of the season.

I'd give that accolade to several other episodes before these, many of which I've already explained why in this very thread:

"Relics"
"Chain of Command, Part II"
"Face of the Enemy"
"Tapestry"
"Schisms"
"Rascals"
"Frame of Mind"
"Timescape"
"Suspicions"
"Lessons"
"The Chase"
"A Fistful of Datas"
"Ship in a Bottle"
"Second Chances"
Of course, how could I forget Chain of Command. That was great. I still have to rewatch many of those, but I disagree on Face of the Enemy, A Fistful of Datas, and Rascals. They're fun, but I didn't think they were better than Birthright.

Not that Birthright is a grade-A, Best of Both Worlds episode, (let's not lose perspective here), but I thought was it was very entertaining.

Hell, I'll even throw in "Time's Arrow, Part II" because it's just fun seeing the crew on 19th century Earth.
Ok, now you're just picking a fight with me, "Mr. Pick-erd".

Ugh!
 
Well, for starters - I disagree that "Birthright, Part I" and "Birthright, Part II" are " the most enjoyable and most watchable" episodes of the season.

I'd give that accolade to several other episodes before these, many of which I've already explained why in this very thread:

"Relics"
"Chain of Command, Part II"
"Face of the Enemy"
"Tapestry"
"Schisms"
"Rascals"
"Frame of Mind"
"Timescape"
"Suspicions"
"Lessons"
"The Chase"
"A Fistful of Datas"
"Ship in a Bottle"
"Second Chances"
Of course, how could I forget Chain of Command. That was great. I still have to rewatch many of those, but I disagree on Face of the Enemy, A Fistful of Datas, and Rascals. They're fun, but I didn't think they were better than Birthright.

Not that Birthright is a grade-A, Best of Both Worlds episode, (let's not lose perspective here), but I thought was it was very entertaining.

Hell, I'll even throw in "Time's Arrow, Part II" because it's just fun seeing the crew on 19th century Earth.
Ok, now you're just picking a fight with me, "Mr. Pick-erd".

Ugh!

Hence my earlier statement - "We'll have to agree to disagree." :)

I think Tapestry is the best of the entire season, hands down.

It absolutely is one of TNG's finest hours, that's for sure.
 
Fifth, wasn't Worf's escape attempt laughable? He caused an explosion, causing everyone to look around for something wrong, and then tries to "jump over the fence" in broad daylight. Why not just avoid the explosion, leaving everyone to focus on their business, and quietly jump the fence? Or, wouldn't it have smarter to just jump the fence at night when everyone is sleeping?

I appreciate this observation. Worf's 'beast mode' is certainly pretty laughable, e.g. his holodeck 'calisthenics', but I think it's endearing.
 
Fifth, wasn't Worf's escape attempt laughable? He caused an explosion, causing everyone to look around for something wrong, and then tries to "jump over the fence" in broad daylight. Why not just avoid the explosion, leaving everyone to focus on their business, and quietly jump the fence? Or, wouldn't it have smarter to just jump the fence at night when everyone is sleeping?

I appreciate this observation. Worf's 'beast mode' is certainly pretty laughable, e.g. his holodeck 'calisthenics', but I think it's endearing.

I think the way he attacked that poor Romulan guy who basically sacrificed his career so he could let the klingons live was boorish at the very least, and a bit despicable. It would be like someone coming up to Mother Teresa and saying: "Hey, don't force your occidental values on us!"
 
Yeah, he just flies into this animal rage without concern for what we call ethical and moral considerations, but he does it with this intense focus and drive that is made clear by Dorn's use of his eyebrows and focusing on things off-set with his eyes.

It's like watching your cat or dog chase its imaginary adversaries with nothing but intent to destroy.
 
Yeah, he just flies into this animal rage without concern for what we call ethical and moral considerations, but he does it with this intense focus and drive that is made clear by Dorn's use of his eyebrows and focusing on things off-set with his eyes.

It's like watching your cat or dog chase its imaginary adversaries with nothing but intent to destroy.

Plus the idea that the Klingons can only be one thing and that's it is a bit narrow-minded. I mean, they're supposed to be superior beings, not insects who know everything at birth. We have our Samurai and our Hippies, why can't the Klingon? Worf is nothing but a bigot, at least in that episode.
 
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