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Neelix needs the work.
Well, no one else would manage to get sick the ship's gel packs.
Because the cook finds fulfillment in doing that activity and Starfleet supports him while he learns new recipes out in the galaxy.
We see a kitchen in Undiscovered Country as well.If you mean the 1701, then point taken.
In any case, that was just so "Charlie X" could do a throwaway joke.
On September 8th, 1966 I was 44 days from turning 9.
It was the first time in my life that on a school night (Thursday), I was allowed to stay up past 8pm.
(after spending the whole day begging my mom to be allowed to do so)
Is that enough to be considered an OLD Trek fan?
Cause I've really liked just about every incarnation of Star Trek I've seen since then.
(and I haven't missed a one)
I was a bit disappointed with Nemesis but I went and saw it twice anyway at the theater.
It was the first time in my life that on a school night (Thursday), I was allowed to stay up past 8pm.
(after spending the whole day begging my mom to be allowed to do so)
Is that enough to be considered an OLD Trek fan?
Cause I've really liked just about every incarnation of Star Trek I've seen since then.
(and I haven't missed a one)
I was a bit disappointed with Nemesis but I went and saw it twice anyway at the theater.
The 1701-A had them, so Valeris could phaser the mash potatoes to demonstrate the alarm.If you mean the 1701, then point taken.
In any case, that was just so "Charlie X" could do a throwaway joke.
Either that, or, if the writers are syncing Discovery with Calypso short Trek as they said, and might be using the pre-refit Disco on purpose (but to be fair, 'syncing' things with Calypso wouldn't HAVE to entail the ship converting to its pre-refit looks - just syncing the STORY to it as Calypso WAS envisioned well before they refit the ship in Season 3).
In fact, I do like the refit, and wouldn't mind the ship to remain like that when syncing in line with Calypso (in fairness though, if Zora decided to revert the ship to pre-refit look for whatever reason using programmable matter while retaining advanced technology of the 31st century, that works too, but I don't understand why she would go into that direction).
Calypso was confirmed that it takes place 1000 years AFTER 31st century (aka 41st century).
You get fresh food out of a replicator too.
No point in having a cook in the 22nd or 23rd centuries with molecular manufacturing.
There is 0 difference in actual taste because majority of what people 'think' about taste is down to how they were raised and individual recipes their parents prepared compared to foods coming from a replicator that has food prepared with different recipes.
Vance certainly never had any issues with replicated food.
Nutritionally and on a subatomic level even, replicated food is indistinguishable from organic food... always has been.
Its a similar silly argument people put forth in real life: "conventionally grown crops are inferior to organics". I tried both and, I can't say I agree with that assessment. In fact, 'organic' crops are simply speaking more expensive and no more nutritionally richer than conventionally grown crops. And while they could contain less pesticides, they are still used on organic crops (only the producers don't have to disclose how much they used).
Trek would to well to put this nonsense behind already.
Star Trek has shown repeatedly that replicated is not the same as fresh. Also, if someone enjoys cooking in the future that why not allow them to enjoy such an ambition? Seems like a rather artificial limitation.
No it didn't. Trek showed how 'some' people 'complained' about the taste of replicated food is not 'on par' with 'real food'... but that's only down to a few people who probably grew up with differently PREPARED foods that conventional SF replicators didn't have recipes for, and in other cases, it was with Ds9 where replicators used were NOT of Federation design (and that Cardassian technology was consistently portrayed as 'inferior' in efficiency and overall capability compared to the Federation).
If someone wants to prepare their own meal that's fine.
But its a tad unrealistic to think that personal preparation of 'organic' meals will actually PERSIST in the far future where replication technology exists - especially on starships where you want to maximize efficiency.
Sure, I can see hand made meals being done on planets, outposts and even starbases... but ships? Not past the mid 22nd century (heck, even then it was a bit unrealistic with molecular fabrication technology SF had).
In essence, a person's 'food preparation' would still be there to the point where they would simply make adjustments to the recipe that exists in the replicator, or make a recipe from scratch.
As far as starships go.
Even Voyager didn't have a real need for Neelix's cooking as they would have still been able to grow food hydroponically and prepare their own meals from those crops... or they could have simply used a less energy intensive process of molecular fabrication which probably would have been perfected and still somewhat used in the 24th century where energy is not as abundant (as opposed to energy to matter conversion replication systems that do require a LOT of power).
The Enterprise-D and most 24th century ships never had any chefs.
Even Voyager started without one and relied solely on replicators (Which granted became a problem to use due to Voyager's early damage and energy shortages that started with their pull to the Delta Quadrant - which suggests to me they weren't able to fully repair those systems or bring them up to spec until after Season 2).
They only introduced Neelix as a chef as they had to give him 'some kind' of a role on a ship full of otherwise trained SF crew (which WOULD be capable of doing this themselves).
Why not? The whole point of Star Trek is freedom to pursue passions. So why not cooking? This isn't about efficiency; this is about humanity enjoying something. Again, a very arbitrary line to suit a specific vision of the future.
Yes, and as I said, on planets, outposts and starbases, I see no issues with that.
On Starfleet ships... it makes little sense.
Also I think that hand food preparation would have long died out by the 24th century and the kind of technology they had.
In fact, Keiko was surprised that Miles' mother even touched the food with her bare hands... in fact, I found Keiko's reaction a far more realistic interpretation of how things would have been.
The concept of food being prepared by hand would be so rare to the point of being unheard of in that setting - it would perhaps exist in regions that are relatively 'cut off' from larger hubs of activity... or who decide to practice older traditions... but to be fair, even this wouldn't really be realistic as Human society as whole was meant to 'evolve' well beyond outdated cultural 'traditions' that existed before (which would have occurred by the time Earth fixed its own problems in the 50 years following First Contact with the Vulcans and another 'reform' that followed in the 23rd century for 'new Humans' as Roddenberry described).
A huge portion of 'traditional' things wouldn't have survived such a large passage of time and integration of highly advanced technology along with several societal changes that followed.
I'm not talking about personal freedoms. Its just that such societies would have fundamentally DIFFERENT cultural practices compared to what exists right now. Yes, the Federation is about freedom of choice, etc... but you can't escape such massive global social changes (which would have been necessary for Earth to move on as a whole).
I'm not saying that society won't make changes. Just this arbitrary line of "no cooks on starships!" strikes me as a rather random and odd rule for no other reason that "societies evolve." I don't think hand food prep would be the norm, but nor do it would be so outdated as to be actively discouraged as a part of a functioning ship.
But, that's me. I've been accused of being a luddite before so I suppose my attitude is colored as such. Regardless, the what has been shown on Star Trek is still having cooks. Unusual, but certainly not outlandish. Again, it's about humans, and what they enjoy, being relatable, not being 100% realistic to every single nth degree.
Otherwise, it comes across like this:
That's likely because, by his own admission, Vance had never eaten non-replicated food.
Personally i'm not fussed if calypso is not followed up on and i'm choosing to view it as almost like an 'unaired pilot' of sorts that was made before the writers has finalised how discovery would venture into the future.
But if we do get a follow up i'd be fine with that as well. The pre-refit look of disco could either be explained by zora reverting it back, or perhaps its a temporal duplicate of the ship where the crew died in transit and zora in her grief and loneliness came to believe the crew had abandoned her but would return.
Riker cooked some eggs, albeit disgusting eggs.
Sisko’s restaurant in New Orleans used real food (Including animal products) and always seemed to be fairly busy. He even ordered fresh tubegrubs for Nog.
Captain Sisko also hand cooked a few times.
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I know what DS9 did, and to be fair, there's a lot of things that show did I didn't like or didn't think fit well into the projection of the future or what TNG established in the first few seasons.
