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[fireproof78]

Isn't Shakespeare full of swears and innuendo?

A lot, and references to virginity and venereal diseases.

ShakespearesWords.com

How civilized.

 

[tomalak301]

In the case of the adult content in SG-1's pilot episode, that was mandated by Showtime over the objections of the writers and producers, who wanted the show to be family friendly. I think the deal they reached was something like "adult content in the pilot episode, then we'll stay off your backs."

Even then, they did end up bringing profanity back in the SG-1 DVD movies released after the series finished.

When I was first watching SG-1 (I think it was during Covid in 2020), I was wondering why a show that was airing on Showtime was pretty family friendly other than an innuendo in the first episode. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Campe]

The larger issue here is of modern vs formal English, the former of which includes swearing and recently invented idioms. The conceit of Trek is that these people are further down the path of civilization. "more evolved humanity".

So if you feel that a person's intelligence and sophistication is greatly reflected by their speech then you would want and expect the characters to talk formally. This would logically limit swearing to extreme circumstances.

If you don't think language reflects a persons level of refinement, and the very idea is snobbery, then you want the characters to talk like contemporary people. And you probably think older trek was insulting you by implying the way contemporary people talk is indicative of a lesser person.

I would expect to be able to understand and relate to a television show that is geared towards an audience in my time. I make no pretenses that we will likely not sound like the characters in any iteration of Star Trek sound like once we as a society reach the 23rd century or beyond.

I also just don’t care.

Frankly, TOS was often more formal than the Berman era and the Kurtzman era is less formal than the Berman era.

I still just don’t care.

I am entertained. And that is all that matters to me.

 

[Set Harth]

Isn't Shakespeare full of swears and innuendo?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Perhaps the only reason some who don't like current swearing practices are okay with Shakespeare saying such things is that the words he used can easily be misunderstood/interpreted as something altogether different or leagues milder than what he meant, either by the reader's choice or because of their ignorance. So someone might argue there might well come a day that all the curse words and innuendos people use now will be glossed over in the same way.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I’ve certainly heard Patrick Stewart drop an F bomb here or there, but while I’m not offended by Picard using the word, that was the biggest surprise for me of any use of the word in Star Trek.

And even that was an ad-lib from Patrick Stewart.

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps the only reason some who don't like current swearing practices are okay with Shakespeare saying such things is that the words he used can easily be misunderstood/interpreted as something altogether different or leagues milder than what he meant, either by the reader's choice or because of their ignorance. So someone might argue there might well come a day that all the curse words and innuendos people use now will be glossed over in the same way.

I do think there is a strong preference to not being reminded of our filthy 21st century humanity.

 

[Rahul]

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Shall we discuss the new trailer from yesterday on this thread?
(It's currently on page 943 of the "General discussion" thread - IMO not the ideal place...)

 

[fireproof78]

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Shall we discuss the new trailer from yesterday on this thread?
(It's currently on page 943 of the "General discussion" thread - IMO not the ideal place...)

Holy shit is the latest teaser promo awesome...!

Sums it up.

Ultimately, it's all translation of mythology anyway. Rick Berman decided to translate the mythology one way and Alex Kurtzman translated it another. Both are valid and have their pluses and minuses. And as with the mythology of old, neither translation is more or less valid than the other.

Exactly. It's modern day myth making, which gets translated again and again. Just read an article on Robin Hood, and how he was not a noble but a rogue and then the story got changed around, and he was no longer a devout Catholic.

Setting aside arguments about starfleet and military, I don't recall any swearing from SG1 - a show set in contemporary times with the US airforce front and center

For people complaining that "no swearing isn't realistic" and also accepting things like warp drive, transporters and universal translators I wonder where the line is drawn

The line is arbitrary.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm sure it's some alternate timeline temporal bullshit, but what if it isn't and Scottyhura becomes a thing pre-TOS?

Personally I love the idea loads of the TOS crew were fucking prior to TOS.

 

[Firebird]

Isn't Shakespeare full of swears and innuendo?

Hamlet's got "Did you think I meant cunt-ry matters?" as he sits in fair Ophelia's lap.

 

[The Wormhole]

Heh heh heh. Cunt. He said cunt. Heh heh.

 

[Tosk]

Hamlet's got "Did you think I meant cunt-ry matters?" as he sits in fair Ophelia's lap.

Or to make it more Trek-connected, Hamlet also has the undiscovered cunt-ry.

Personally I love the idea loads of the TOS crew were fucking prior to TOS.

And about half the hook-ups involve Spock. Spock/Chapel, Spock/Noonien-Singh, Spock/Kirk...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hamlet's got "Did you think I meant cunt-ry matters?" as he sits in fair Ophelia's lap.

I've a feeling the original presentation of the plays were a bit more baudy and raucous than the rather stiff and reverential presentation we associate with them today.

 

[Firebird]

I've a feeling the original presentation of the plays were a bit more baudy and raucous than the rather stiff and reverential presentation we associate with them today.

Indeed. In fact, I remember seeing a theory once that even the title Much Ado About Nothing was a semi-hidden naughty bits reference to “an o-thing.” Shakespeare was a randy one.