Wrong.
Then how do you explain the proven fact that profanity is okay when the novels do it and okay when the Blessed Lord Terry (hallowed be thy name) does it and not okay when Kurtzman does it?
The word has changed a LOT since Next Gen seasons 3-7. And there's a part of the fanbase that just want more of that style.
Which got cancelled after attempts to "sex it up" failed with Enterprise.
Which got cancelled after attempts to "sex it up" failed with Enterprise.
I didn't like Picard swearing in English (not the first time he's sworn on screen of course). It just felt a failure of his cognative abilities of a character who is something of a wordsmith. "ten fucking grueling hours" did not feel natural at the best of times. Could he not have conveyed his point better?
I did like Discovery, and Picard season 1 and 2. I would have liked them more without Tilly, Stamets or Clancy swearing. Rios however was fine -- a far better fit in my view, and felt far less forced.
I did like Discovery, and Picard season 1 and 2. I would have liked them more without Tilly, Stamets or Clancy swearing. Rios however was fine -- a far better fit in my view, and felt far less forced.
Money?DOH! You used the M word when talking Trek...
To add: I don’t think a legacy character dropped an F bomb until Lord Terry (hallowed be his name) took the reins and Picard himself said it. Yes. The puritanical Picard of TNG.
But that’s perfectly okay, I guess!
When Tilly said it, there was a moment of shock from those around her. With the exception of Admital “sheer fucking hubris” Clancy, every use of the word in seasons one and two of Picard were (I believe) from civilians. And none (until Picard in season three) were legacy characters. Lower Decks had many a bleeped f bomb.
If I recall correctly, there are no uses of the word fuck in season 2-5 of Disco, Prodigy, and to date in SNW and SFA. The biggest “offender” of the word is Picard, and the vaunted season 3 is certainly no exception.
Correct, in fact S2 of Disco even made a meta joke referencing the Space channel in Canada airing Tilly's F-Bomb uncensored during family friendly hours getting them in trouble as the reason Disco decided against using the word any further.
Interesting.
Generally, I have no problem with Trek using profanity. Noting that other than the Tilly and Stamets use of the word, we don’t really hear it chronologically until after the TNG era. Language evolves and sometimes returns to times past. So if one needs a in universe reason, perhaps the word came back into use during the intervening years. That’s good enough for me.
I’ve certainly heard Patrick Stewart drop an F bomb here or there, but while I’m not offended by Picard using the word, that was the biggest surprise for me of any use of the word in Star Trek.
It was somewhat interesting the way the usage of profanity on Picard evolved. In the first season, it's only new characters who use any profanity and not any of the characters we see from any of the 90s shows. S2 kind of skirts the matter, in that we get a legacy era actor saying Fuck onscreen, Brent Spiner, but he does so while playing Adam Soong, essentially a new character. The third season we get an actual legacy character saying Fuck onscreen for the first and at the moment only time in the franchise's history.
Hubris from the writers... Sheer hubris.
Cussing was nothing new to Trek. In ST: Generations you have Data saying "Oh Shit!"
It's just the usual ultimate definition (by the suits) of what media areas they want to license to.
IE (Like the Stargate SG-1 Pilot aired on Showtime in the 90s that had a nude scene and profanity, but those elements disappeared quick in later episodes); once Studio management says:
"Hey we can still license all this to Basic Cable or remaining local TV station syndication..." (which still exists)..."we can make more ROI/Profit so back to basic Standards and Practices..."
In the case of the adult content in SG-1's pilot episode, that was mandated by Showtime over the objections of the writers and producers, who wanted the show to be family friendly. I think the deal they reached was something like "adult content in the pilot episode, then we'll stay off your backs."
Even then, they did end up bringing profanity back in the SG-1 DVD movies released after the series finished.
Even then, they did end up bringing profanity back in the SG-1 DVD movies released after the series finished.
The larger issue here is of modern vs formal English, the former of which includes swearing and recently invented idioms. The conceit of Trek is that these people are further down the path of civilization. "more evolved humanity".
So if you feel that a person's intelligence and sophistication is greatly reflected by their speech then you would want and expect the characters to talk formally. This would logically limit swearing to extreme circumstances.
If you don't think language reflects a persons level of refinement, and the very idea is snobbery, then you want the characters to talk like contemporary people. And you probably think older trek was insulting you by implying the way contemporary people talk is indicative of a lesser person.
So if you feel that a person's intelligence and sophistication is greatly reflected by their speech then you would want and expect the characters to talk formally. This would logically limit swearing to extreme circumstances.
If you don't think language reflects a persons level of refinement, and the very idea is snobbery, then you want the characters to talk like contemporary people. And you probably think older trek was insulting you by implying the way contemporary people talk is indicative of a lesser person.
I'm just going to leave this here...
Also, with as much as languages changed, the meaning of the word fuck has remained remarkably consistent and I don't see that changing either...
And it's versatility is unmatched...
Also, with as much as languages changed, the meaning of the word fuck has remained remarkably consistent and I don't see that changing either...
And it's versatility is unmatched...
Yes, the idea of language as a refinement or status indication will appeal depending on how one regards evolution. If the 21st century humans are regarded as lesser and unrefined then formal language will be preferred.
That's silly, The audience is made of people living in the present. The shows aim is to be relatable not some prediction of language evolution.
The military is less formal than you think when no one is "looking".
Isn't Shakespeare full of swears and innuendo?
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