Spoilers Season 2 Trailer

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Tuskin38, Oct 6, 2018.

  1. DSG2k

    DSG2k Commander Red Shirt

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    Regarding light levels between the regular and mirror universes in Prime canon, I think we know the First Contact scenes were identical.
     
  2. Longinus

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    Personally I think that applying facts from Kelvin Universe to Prime Trek makes about as much sense than applying facts from Gotham TV series to DC Cinematic Universe.
     
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  3. Project Fear

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    Right, we've had a multi-page diversion into more canon arguing, could we perhaps steer this ship back to talking about the Season 2 trailer?
     
  4. grendelsbayne

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    I'd be happy to agree if you could point to a single scene from Gotham that purports to exist in even the same multiverse as the DCEU, let alone purports to exist in exactly the same universe and for at least 1 full scene even the same timeline, and for several full scenes featuring a character explicitly from the prime universe.

    The connection between the abrams films and the tv shows is not conjecture. It's explicit. Comparing the two obviously leads to circumstantial evidence only, since it is impossible to be 100% certain about the interactions of various changes, but circumstantial evidence is still evidence. And when it concerns things that are also strongly implied in prime sources and are highly unlikely to change in a short period of time, it can be very strong circumstantial evidence.
     
  5. Project Fear

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    Steer harder. Right full rudder.
     
  6. Marynator

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    The beard!! THE BEARD!! We need to talk about it right now!

    You‘re welcome @Project Fear!
     
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  7. Longinus

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    It was just an attempt to avoid fan rage by not calling it full reboot. It's a reboot. Discovery kinda is as well, although this new trailer shows that they might be backpedalling from that. (<-- See! The topic!)
     
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    I love the new trailer and also the faith vs science part. I always loved it when DS9 tackled that subject and they did so on a regular basis.

    Hope to see less of Yeoh though. Couldn't care less about Section31 and the Mirror Universe.
     
  9. Groppler Zorn

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    The interesting thing (for me at least) with Gotham is that it appears (or strongly implies without being explicit) that it is set before the Nolan films. There are no flatscreens or smartphones - but there will be by the time Bruce Wayne grows up to be Christian Bale. Many of the characters seem to have had actors cast who could potentially be portrayals of younger versions of the actors who played those same characters in the Nolan films. John Pertwee’s son is a passably younger version of Michael Caine, for instance.

    But I think Gotham is a reboot in the sense that the Nolan films were also reboots so they’re a prequel to that reboot.

    DSC is...

    Visually different to earlier Trek (which is fine as we’ve never actually seen that era on screen - even the Cage doesn’t fall into the explicit years of DSC)

    But...

    It seems to share some visual cues with the Kelvin timeline.

    It’s sort of a bit like Gotham and yet not at the same time :lol:
     
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    I think the intent there was to give the city itself some character, not necessarily plant in anywhere chronologically.
     
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    I’d not thought about it from that angle. I think I put two and two together with that and the actors seeming like younger versions of the Nolan characters. But that doesn’t mean that my calculations were correct :lol:

    Tbh it doesn’t matter to me if Gotham is a Nolan prequel or not - but it certainly feels like it is.

    It’s a bit like DSC in that regard - it feels like it could be a Kelvin prequel but at this point in s1 where we have so little information to go on it doesn’t really matter that much whether it is or it isn’t.

    Yet... :lol:
     
  12. Longinus

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    The setting of Gotham is intentionally anachronistic. It is intended to ewoke sort of noir feel. In that way it is more similar to Burton's Batman films than Nolan's.
     
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    To my mind, there's no reason to assume it is institutional, either. For me, that's like seeing a horse-drawn carriage and assuming flying cars.

    Well, I think we have seen in the Disney canon that merely reclassifying the EU didn't really change anything. They should've gone tabula rasa at that point, but instead all the new novels have been chock full of EU concepts that didn't belong and that contradicted the Lucas canon they claimed to be exclusively following thenceforth. The admixture of universes makes the new Disney canon a third universe for Star Wars.

    Per the first season and this trailer, Discovery is the same thing.
     
  14. Tuskin38

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    Probably temporary
     
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    I'm wondering whether the Klingons are investigating a Red Angel in parallel, and taking a different approach, in a similar setup to the film Arrival. Perhaps this is the origin of the little bot things which seem to attack them in the asteroid field (and potentially downed Notaro's ship).

    I'm interested in how the faith/science element plays in though. It raises the possibility that the 'Angels' are benevolent beings primarily, or whether they are presenting a front. Certainly I hope it doesn't end up in a battle.
     
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    Could be that lazy but well meaning species from TNG that doesn't want to travel and makes people smart so they'll come visit them instead.
     
  17. Project Fear

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    Stargate did that, too.

    The lazy approach to exploring.
     
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  18. Tuskin38

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    I just wonder how much of that D7 is going to be seen. For all we know it will be just that scene and never again
     
  19. Project Fear

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    Could just be a background graphic, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is L'Rell's ship for this season.

    Kronos one, in other words :)
     
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  20. Tuskin38

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    Could be a plot hook for later.

    According to the NYCC panel, L’Rell is still trying to follow T’Kuvma’s dream of uniting the houses, but she’s going to do it in her own way, not T’Kuvma’s.

    The D7 could be her trying to unite the houses technology. Get them to work together on something.
     
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