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why are they using mirrors from pre-warp tech era, like what we use today, in every other series but in Discovery they use that holographic mirror?
 
Looking at my Diamond Select TOS Phaser replica, it's because the settings are numbered 1 through 10 rather than being differentiated by light.

1 is gentle numbness. (Voyager phasers loved this setting.)
2 is slow down stun. (think Professor Crater.)
3 is regular stun.
4 is stunning
5 is knockout stun.
6 is wide birth stun.
7 is kill.
8 is kill kill.
9 is kill but not really.
10 is this guy is a pile of ashes now.

:D
Yes, but what about the heating rocks setting?

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why are they using mirrors from pre-warp tech era, like what we use today, in every other series but in Discovery they use that holographic mirror?

Why do some people read books and others read e-books? Why do some people make video calls and others don't? Why do some people use laptops and others use desktops? Why do people still use home phones when smartphones exist? Why do some people never use a microwave oven? Why do some people still have no internet connection? Why do people still ride horses in the 21st century? Why do people still use rowboats in the 21st century? Why does anyone think this is even remotely a logical thing to complain about as an 'inconsistancy', especially since we've only even seen the holo-mirror like one time?

Eta: Forgot to mention before - Stamets and Culber have an actual normal mirror sitting right in their quarters, too. Which is more than I can say for any number of 24th century characters who could quite easily have used holomirrors the whole time without us ever knowing about it.
 
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Discovery seems to be obsessed with holograms. Chuck knows why.
I mean... what's wrong with a mirror? :)

Holograms are cool, mirrors are not. (Well that's my reaction to the mirror in the morning after waking up, "Hey, not cool!")
 
You pretty much have to give the benefit of the doubt and latch onto every generous or exaggerated dialogue, assume it's all true. Then you can say "yay!! no canon violations". Except the story isn't realistic to any serious viewer anymore.

Bingo.

This was a messy, short-term conflict...not a full-blown "World War."

Makes sense.

The war lasted no less than fifteen months (just counting the six before Burnham met Discovery and the nine month absence due to the mirror stuff, with the Klingons burning whole worlds, raiding with impunity a hundred AU from Earth, and finally sending a fleet to within sight of Earth.

Americans forget the Spanish-American War because it was a messy, short-term conflict that was offshore. I daresay we would remember it better if our cities had been burned and a Spanish Armada had been at the mouth of the Potomac.
 
...As in 1812?

The thing to remember here is the scale. Planeticide happens annually in TOS. Great wars are generally mentioned only in the passing, typically only once. And this includes ongoing ones.

So something from DSC (such as the entire show and all its events and characters) going unmentioned in the rest of Trek isn't even a thing. Of course this would happen - anything and everything in Trek is insignificant by default and definition, save for it sometimes being at the focus of the camera.

OTOH, there's nothing in Trek to say that DSC wouldn't have happened. Nobody says "there was no Klingon war in the 2250s". And if somebody says "war is a thing of the past" or "Starfleet has kept the peace for a century", we already know he or she is lying, or using certain nonintuitive definitions of the terms. DSC brings nothing new to that.

Timo Saloniemi
 
So...what are the primary elements we know about so far?

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- Galactic anomalies mystery to be solved
- Recovery of a lost ship
- Advanced beings or visions of some sort (linked to anomalies is implied?)
- Klingons play a role (specifically Tyler and L'Rell return)
- Pike, Number One
- Spock plays a significant role
- MirrorGeorgiou / Section 31
- Culber's story is not finished
- Sarek will be seen again (and Amanda)
- Talosians


What do you all think...? It seems...well...dense...to put it mildly. And it's 2 less episodes than last season (although there's no 2-episode prologue handicap, admittedly, as well as no mid-season break).

I hope the hell this all fits together somehow.

My two cents.

  • The season arc is the galactic anomalies, which is involved with the whole "red angel" thing.
  • The lost ship recovered (which is where Tig Notaro's character comes in) happens very early in the season, with Pike's first mission. We know the asteroid field has to do with that as well.
  • The Klingon plot probably has little to do with the rest of the season, but it's there to keep Ash and L'Rell involved.
  • Pike is the captain for the season. I suspect that we're being introduced to Number One in part because they desire doing a Pike spinoff eventually. I mean they have the sets and three of the core cast members now.
  • Spock is involved because he's on the "red angel" quest. This pretty much brings along Amanda and Sarek for obvious reasons.
  • I'm not happy about the continued use of MU Georgiou, but hopefully her role this season will be smaller. It seems like it will link the Klingon and Discovery plots to some extent.
  • Hopefully the "Culber's back" story will finish itself up relatively quickly. Maybe one episode they note Tilly acting strangely, then Stamets pulls that ball out of her in the following one, and Culber hatches out of it in the third.
  • Hopefully the Talosians will just be in a brief flashback. There's not really time for a full on Talosian episode, as you note.
In general, I agree it seems a bit overstuffed - which was part of the issue that the first season had as well. Season 1 seemed at times to confuse character development with plot lines involving individual characters. Seeing things happen to characters is not the same thing as learning about characters.
 
Its not that they shaved there heads for war!
Its that, every Klingon started to wear there hair in "Man Buns" and the Chansoler of the high councel was having none of it and decreed, No more "Man Buns"! Everybody's going bald!
 
Transwarp was abandoned without comment and considered a failed experiment for years, and not mentioned until VOY and in a much different format. I suppose that's an error as well.
Not the same. Excelsior was never show, or even told to, be capable of anything that would be extraordinary by TNG standards. Also, the experiment being a failure is not canon. So maybe it worked and that's why TNG uses different warp scale; their warp is actually Excelsior transwarp. Or if Excelsior was supposed to do something more, and it didn't succeed, it wasn't ever shown to work in the first place. The Spore Drive obviously works, is used reliably multiple times and is better than any drive system in the setting ever by anyone. There is no way around it that it was colossally stupid to introduce this sort of super tech in a prequel series, especially as none of their plots really required it to be that amazing.
 
Not the same. Excelsior was never show, or even told to, be capable of anything that would be extraordinary by TNG standards.

That delves into the minutiae of warp speed calculations, really. What we know for certain, and sidestepping the issue of numbers altogether, is that the experimental drive was supposed to beat the speed records of the Enterprise - and she went pretty darn fast on those days alien forces gave her a boost. (Surely the records would refer to those moments, rather than to standard drive, as nothing was ever suggested to be record-breaking when Kirk ordered his ship past warp eight on her own power. Just ship-breaking, but even that never came to be.) I couldn't easily see Starfleet giving up on reproducing/surpassing those feats, no matter how fast the TNG standard warp drive is.

The Spore Drive obviously works, is used reliably multiple times and is better than any drive system in the setting ever by anyone. There is no way around it that it was colossally stupid to introduce this sort of super tech in a prequel series, especially as none of their plots really required it to be that amazing.

It also has a built-in self-destruct button. The standard warp drive doesn't depend on any key resource: even dilithium is outdated nowadays, there being synthetics and paralithium and AQS power sources and whatnot. The spore drive relies on those spores.

Unfortunately, the self-destruct button is hardwired to Armageddon now. Destroy the spores and all the universes cease to be! That is a pretty disastrous turn of events (the hardwiring, not the Armageddon), negating the easy way out of spore drive use.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Someone on the NYCC panel described the season as more episodic then season 1

they have the sets and three of the core cast members now.

We actually don’t know if they have new sets specifically for the Enterprise. All we’ve seen so far is a redressed Discovery corridor and brig (for Spock’s quarters)
 
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