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[The Habs Fan]

Another thread... another argument over ratings from Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB.

On this site, there are a lot more ratings than Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB so it's a better judge of how people are enjoying the show:
https://www.tvtime.com/en/show/328711

It's rated a 9/10 and over 187000 people follow the show.

 

[The Habs Fan]

Rottom Tomatoes: Average Audience Score Comparison

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek? 86% like
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_the_next_generation/ 83% like
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_deep_space_nine/ 83% like
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_the_animated_series 74% like
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_voyager/ 67% like
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_enterprise/ 67% like
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_discovery/ 51% like

That sucks. There an excuse or conspiracy theory to explain how this show is so great but that number is so low?

I'll give you an excuse... you couldn't rate tv shows on Rotten Tomatoes when the previous Star Trek shows aired. If any of the previous Star Trek shows aired for the first time now, it would be just as low if not lower than Discovery's audience score.

 

[marsh8472]

I have to ask: What's so bad about "The Menagerie"? I know The Death Penalty in the episode is ridiculous, but...

Sure, because I had seen the episode "The Cage" before. So it was like TNG's version of "Shades of Grey" where they show an episode within an episode except we get a double dose of it as a 2-parter. I have "The Cage" in my bottom 50 episodes too.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd watch the Cage again before I'd watch a lot of Berman era Trek again.

 

[Noname Given]

Sure, because I had seen the episode "The Cage" before. So it was like TNG's version of "Shades of Grey" where they show an episode within an episode except we get a double dose of it as a 2-parter. I have "The Cage" in my bottom 50 episodes too.

You realize that "The Cage" was not part of the original syndication package, and in fact NEVER aired on NBC - and was for all intents and purposes 'lost' until 1986 (and the full color version not done until 1988).

So for 20 years, the ONLY 'version' of it was TOS - "The Menagerie I & II"; so yeah, to compare it to a true piece of crap like TNG's "Shades of Grey" (Because Paramount was extremely cheap during TNG's S2)

 

[marsh8472]

You realize that "The Cage" was not part of the original syndication package, and in fact NEVER aired on NBC - and was for all intents and purposes 'lost' until 1986 (and the full color version not done until 1988).

So for 20 years, the ONLY 'version' of it was TOS - "The Menagerie I & II"; so yeah, to compare it to a true piece of crap like TNG's "Shades of Grey" (Because Paramount was extremely cheap during TNG's S2)

I realize that. I'm sure it was pretty cool for people seeing "The Cage" footage for the first time. But for me I saw "The Cage" first then noticed "The Menagerie" many years later. It was more like watching a re-run episode within another episode to me.

 

[BillJ]

...over 187000 people follow the show.

Which is a drop in the bucket compared to some other shows, like The Good Place (560,000) and Westworld (nearly 2,000,000).

Even Lost in Space (Netflix reboot) has 336,000 people following it.

 

[DaveyNY]

Which is a drop in the bucket compared to some other shows, like The Good Place (560,000) and Westworld (nearly 2,000,000).

Even Lost in Space (Netflix reboot) has 336,000 people following it.

I'm one of those Lost in Space followers.
But I only did it to get quick notice for when the second season is going to drop.
I haven't actually gone back and look at that vid since I first clicked it.
(and probably won't)
So, as other have said, the number of 'eyes' is not really a good determination factor.

 

[The Habs Fan]

Which is a drop in the bucket compared to some other shows, like The Good Place (560,000) and Westworld (nearly 2,000,000).

Even Lost in Space (Netflix reboot) has 336,000 people following it.

And shows like The Orville have 92000...

Doesn’t change my point that if you look at how many people rate each episode, it’s a lot more than Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Another thread... another argument over ratings from Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB.

On this site, there are a lot more ratings than Rotten Tomatoes and IMDB so it's a better judge of how people are enjoying the show:
https://www.tvtime.com/en/show/328711

It's rated a 9/10 and over 187000 people follow the show.

Sounds like the Midnight's Edge crowd hasn't been directed to that site yet.

Sure, because I had seen the episode "The Cage" before. So it was like TNG's version of "Shades of Grey" where they show an episode within an episode except we get a double dose of it as a 2-parter. I have "The Cage" in my bottom 50 episodes too.

Truthfully I prefer "The Menagerie" mainly because a lot of the dated sexism was cut out and the way they recut the ending by having Pike reunite with Vina as opposed to Vina just going back underground with a totally fake Pike is much more satisfying. "The Cage" to me is just a rejected pilot, not part of the series proper. I don't recommend it to anyone to watch first for all of TOS because it really is not representative of the show, and the two-parter also reveals more about the kind of person Spock is.

To call "The Menagerie" TOS' version of "Shades of Grey" is utter bullshit.

 

[marsh8472]

I think it's useful to see where someone else's views stand in relation to mine.

marsh8472 does like the War Episodes. I'd think DSC S1 would be right up his ally.

I haven't connected to any of the discovery characters really. Watching discovery episodes feels like watching kelvin timeline movies: a lot of action, fancy graphics, doesn't look or feel like star trek I grew up with but is mildly entertaining. Then when it's over, it's over.

 

[johnjm22]

So basically the show can never truly be successful. It's only getting good reviews because the critics were bought and paid for and if it lasts up to seven seasons it's only because CBS is trying to avoid terrible PR for its platform.

The only true indication of how well it's doing is all the negative written reviews on RT and IMDb, most of which have lines like "RIP Gene's vision", "Star Trek ruined by PC/SJWs", "It's just JJ Trek the TV show", and the classic "Worst Trek Ever"™.

If the show is driving the amount of subs and streams CBS needs to justify what it costs them than it's successful. That's why I agreed with what BillJ was saying. If it's not, I think they would be very reluctant to cancel it, and think they'd opt for cutting the production budget instead.

The rest of your post is just nonsense.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

I was also alluding to earlier posts of yours that the rating on IMDb is not a true indication of how well it's rated among users, that the only real indication was in the written reviews which is flooded with negativity, no differently than how BATTLESTAR GALACTICA reboot has tons of negative reviews by fans of the old show calling it a "betrayal".

That's what colored my perception of your response to BillJ, and why I responded in kind.

 

[johnjm22]

I was also alluding to earlier posts of yours that the rating on IMDb is not a true indication of how well it's rated among users, that the only real indication was in the written reviews which is flooded with negativity

I said the ratings on IMDB aren't based on the raw data because they filter out reviews. Which they do. It says on the website they filter out reviews.

I said if you read the user reviews on STD you'll see majority negative ones. Which is also true.

If you look at the Battlestar Galactica reviews you'll see lots of good reviews along with bad reviews so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Battlestar Galactica: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/reviews?ref_=tt_ov_rt
Star Trek Discovery: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5171438/reviews?ref_=tt_ov_rt

 

[fireproof78]

I haven't connected to any of the discovery characters really. Watching discovery episodes feels like watching kelvin timeline movies: a lot of action, fancy graphics, doesn't look or feel like star trek I grew up with but is mildly entertaining. Then when it's over, it's over.

That ought to do it.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Naturally, GALACTICA has gained more admiration over time.

 

[DSG2k]

Social Justice is against racism.

That is literally not true, by definition. How do you do group justice related to race without any racial component?

Best to focus on the content of character rather than the color of skin (though I know that's an old-fashioned idea).

 

[Tuskin38]

That is literally not true, by definition. How do you do group justice related to race without any racial component?

And you're literally wrong.

 

[DSG2k]

No. His timeline is completely untrue and invented to hate. She ignores the available information. For example about the peace conference and the signing of the treaty.

The length of any talks is not relevant to the ship just leaving Earth en route to Vulcan. If anything, a longer stay as you propose only makes things *worse*.

 

[PiotrB]

The length of any talks is not relevant to the ship just leaving Earth en route to Vulcan. If anything, a longer stay as you propose only makes things *worse*.

Nope.