I rolled my eyes at that too, but not every post one disagrees with demands to be met with an indignant post of one's own. Sometimes one just has to shrug and move on, lest one become tiresome to others.
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Why are you overreacting?
Did you really think I was entirely serious when I suggested they never finish a movie that's been worked on for ages and that they've been shooting for months?
Jesus, guys, was that really too subtle?!
I rolled my eyes at that too, but not every post one disagrees with demands to be met with an indignant post of one's own. Sometimes one just has to shrug and move on, lest one become tiresome to others.
Yet you did feel the need to point out that you rolled your eyes. How passive-aggressive.
And apparently you also missed that I was mostly joking. It seems you really thought I think they should just never finish the Han Solo movie... that's... a litte bizarre!
"Fired" first.
They were already on hiatus from filming over Kasdan and Kennedy's concerns with the film and the conversation over those concerns turned sour enough for them to be fired or walk away. It would seem what they were seeing was so far off what the folks at Lucasfilm wanted that letting them finish would have just been wasted time and money in their eyes.
I know it's off topic but I agree. Post-production started in October 2013, the MCU was well under way by then. It wasn't like there had only been a couple of Iron Man movies and say a Thor for example- It was over a year after Avengers, 7/8 movies in, they'd already expanded to TV with AoS, and even the Netflix shows were in development. I don't get how he thought he could ignore the MCU nods
You would think those are things they discuss when they get hired.
And I'm sure they did, at great length. Once they were 5,000 miles away though, they may have felt that it was better to ask forgiveness than be denied permission and decided to follow their instincts thinking it would make the better film and everyone would be happy in the end.
Agreed. They were likely repeatedly getting warned once the dailies started coming in to 'stick to the script,' and they promised to do so (fingers crossed) while still doing their own thing. Kennedy finally took action when it became clear they weren't listening to her/Kasdan, and it'd be too late/expensive to fix the film once the whole thing was in the can.
There are three weeks of production left, the whole thing practically is in the can. That's the insane part of all this. You don't need six months of dailies to suddenly realize, "Oh, shit, we don't like what these guys are doing!"
Yeah, it really makes you wondering what's been going on this time that they just now decided to fire them, after they've almost finished filming. The only thing I can think of is maybe they started off sticking closer to the script and then started going off more and more as time went. Maybe one or two adlibbed lines at first, and then once they didn't get in trouble, they just kept doing more and more until they had gone off script almost completely.
I just hope the final version of the movie ends up being really, really good, so we don't have to listen to people constantly complaining about it would have been better if Lord and Miller were allowed to finish.
This actually reminds me a bit of the M*A*S*H* movie, which was almost completely adlibbed, and then won for an Oscar for best screenplay.
I just hope the final version of the movie ends up being really, really good, so we don't have to listen to people constantly complaining about it would have been better if Lord and Miller were allowed to finish.
This actually reminds me a bit of the M*A*S*H* movie, which was almost completely adlibbed, and then won for an Oscar for best screenplay.
Well, I mean, this late in the game, you've got things like union considerations to factor in, and the project is going to smell fishy to whomever takes over, which tells me that there must have been something really, really big to trigger this.
I'm reminded of Final Cut, Steven Bach's book on the making of Heaven's Gate. There's a point where the film's deep into the slog of production and United Artists is seriously considering firing Cimino. Bach, who was the UA executive in charge of the production talks with another director about possibly taking over for the final month or so of the shoot. The director's never named, but Bach very heavily implies and suggests that it was David Lean. Anyway, Lean's response -- which was phrased very diplomatically, by the way -- essentially boiled down to, "Oh, hell, no, I'm not stepping in on this, and good luck finding anyone who will."
So, either this shoot is somehow going worse than Heaven's Gate (lawl), or there's a huge issue that popped up out of nowhere and thus far no one is talking about it.
I'm reminded of Final Cut, Steven Bach's book on the making of Heaven's Gate. There's a point where the film's deep into the slog of production and United Artists is seriously considering firing Cimino. Bach, who was the UA executive in charge of the production talks with another director about possibly taking over for the final month or so of the shoot. The director's never named, but Bach very heavily implies and suggests that it was David Lean. Anyway, Lean's response -- which was phrased very diplomatically, by the way -- essentially boiled down to, "Oh, hell, no, I'm not stepping in on this, and good luck finding anyone who will."
So, either this shoot is somehow going worse than Heaven's Gate (lawl), or there's a huge issue that popped up out of nowhere and thus far no one is talking about it.
There's definitely been some nightmare shoots in Hollywood history and some directors who've been unfairly treated, but I don't think I've ever heard of something like this, on this high profile a movie *and* this late into production.
So far as I'm aware Kathleen Kennedy isn't exactly known for being capricious or fickle and she's easily only of the most successful producers in the business. So as much as I love their other work, in this instance I have to conclude that the directors are the source of the problem.
What I suspect is that they weren't able to fully appreciate that they were playing in someone else's sandbox and those toys they were playing with didn't really belong to them. With the best intentions, I'm sure. Clearly they want to make a good movie but Lucasfilm has to protect the franchise as a whole and I can easily see those two interests conflicting.
Whatever the situation is (and I doubt we're likely to hear the full details anytime soon), I don't envy whomever they get to step in a salvage this mess.
So far as I'm aware Kathleen Kennedy isn't exactly known for being capricious or fickle and she's easily only of the most successful producers in the business. So as much as I love their other work, in this instance I have to conclude that the directors are the source of the problem.
What I suspect is that they weren't able to fully appreciate that they were playing in someone else's sandbox and those toys they were playing with didn't really belong to them. With the best intentions, I'm sure. Clearly they want to make a good movie but Lucasfilm has to protect the franchise as a whole and I can easily see those two interests conflicting.
Whatever the situation is (and I doubt we're likely to hear the full details anytime soon), I don't envy whomever they get to step in a salvage this mess.
It seems like it 's due to the accelerated production schedule demanded by higher ups (from Disney) of like one movie per year that necessitated having two different directors for 8 and 9. That seems to be the common reason bandied about.
That doesn't sound too unreasonable. For one thing it allows the productions to overlap, even collaborate without risking putting too much workload on one crew. You don't want your director getting too burnt out with such a breakneck turnaround.
I think I even saw some clickbait headline somewhere about how supposedly the ep IX people have already asked for some shots or scenes for their movie be done by the TLJ crew. Presumably either for continuity or budgetary/scheduling efficiency reasons. Indeed, IIRC I think the final scene in RotS was actually shot (at least in part) during the AotC shoot, mostly because Lucas didn't think it made sense to come all the way back out to Tunisia for about 60 seconds of film.
The Hollywood Reporter is reporting this morning that Ron Howard has been selected and named the replacement director.
Seems like a good choice. Good director and all around great guy. Should be able to soothe ruffled feathers and bring things back on track. I'm stoked.
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Seems like a good choice. Good director and all around great guy. Should be able to soothe ruffled feathers and bring things back on track. I'm stoked.
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At least Kathleen Kennedy hired a big name director with actual credits to his resume.
Ron Howard feels right. He is of the George Lucas generation and is a fairly sensible director.
Because she is a woman Etc.