Spoilers Screen Rant: Star Trek: Discovery just commited war crimes

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by CardassianAssassin, Sep 28, 2017.

  1. CardassianAssassin

    CardassianAssassin Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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  2. The Librarian

    The Librarian Commodore Commodore

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    Burnham and Georgiou were just following in the footsteps of James T. Kirk, renegade and terrorist, who was responsible for the murder of a Klingon crew and the theft of a Klingon vessel.
     
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  3. Mirror Mirror

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    This again? It was a valid tactic on an active battlefield with an enemy that just broke a truce and used that Truce as a way to kill the fleet commander. This was not tapping bodies for some poor SOB to find later, this was striking at the enemy on a still active and ongoing battlefield.
     
  4. Philip Guyott

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    I was not aware that the Klingon Empire had signed the Geneva Convention!
     
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  5. Ovation

    Ovation Admiral Admiral

    If the Klingons had been recovering gear, all else being the same, would it still be a "crime"?

    The intent of the convention is to avoid, after hostilities have ceased, using such tactics. Typically, a truce on the battlefield is called for the collection of dead and wounded. I saw no truce here. Now, perhaps one could argue the withdrawal of the Klingon fleet signaled an end of the battle, but no such explicit statement was made. Also, the Klingon commander explicitly stated he would otherwise kill everyone if not for the purpose of leaving witnesses--hardly an act of altruism.

    Of course, the real life reason is the writers didn't know (or care) about the convention.
     
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  6. Mad Jack Wolfe

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    They had to do something to make T'Mushmouth shut up for two seconds.
     
  7. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm not sure why this needs to be a thing. If T'kuvma had changed his mind and boarded the Shenzhou his warriors would have massacred the crew. Pretty sure that would have constituted a war crime as well.
     
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  8. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    Because when the enemy commits crimes - or might be about to - that makes it okay for us, too? I'm impressed by your subtle grasp of ethics and morality.

    Yes, the Shenzhou crew committed war crimes. This is not the only article to point this out.

    But hey, our heroes killed a lot of Klingons, so let's just make excuses and cheer them on. Star Trek Lives! ;)
     
  9. Neumann

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    Is this a f&#@&*/% joke? It would have probably been an awesome 5 minute debate on how the "Human" Geneva convention worked and how the Klingons peed all over it and whether it was the right course of action. But then again, the Geneva convention is an internationally agreed pact between earth nations. Klingons do not appear to believe in such formalities as well as there was no formal end of hostilities in that system. Additionally, the Klingons also violated such regulations, although they probably would ignore the federation's claim.

    The best part is that people will lose it, and that is glorious.
     
  10. Tuskin38

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    The enemy not abiding to the Geneva convention or what ever version the federation has isn’t an excuse to ignore it.

    If any nation today went to war with a nation that didn’t sign it, they would still be required to follow it.

    I’m thinking the writer of this episode just hasn’t read the law.
     
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  11. doublegoodprole

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    I can live with it.
     
  12. The Librarian

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    I forgot to mention earlier that in addition to faking surrender to kill Klingons, Jame T. Kirk, renegade and terrorist, did the same to his excellency Khan Noonien Singh. He also ordered the total extermination of the population of Eminiar, although he did decide later to cancel that order.
     
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  13. Mirror Mirror

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    Where does it say starfleet follows it?
     
  14. Agony_Boothb

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    If I'm a Starfleet Captain then i feel it would be my duty to protect my crew and any potential targets within striking range of a superior military force. If that meant that I had to use a dead soldiers body to plant a bomb and disable a ship so my crew could escape then i'd totally do it. Would I like doing it, of course not, but my first reponsibility would be to protect the lives of my crew and federation citizens. If the Klingons had been open to discussing terms as Captain Georgiou requested, then there would have been no need for her to take the actions that she did.
     
  15. fireproof78

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    So the heroes did something less than heroic? Color me...surprised that Star Trek would try to inject moral complexity to their characters.
     
  16. The Lensman

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    When people's lives are in danger, they're going to do what it takes to survive. When the choice is "kill or be killed", everyone here would choose "Kill.....by any means neccesary" any day.
     
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  17. Mad Jack Wolfe

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    And where is Space Geneva, anyway?
     
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    Space Switzerland, in the Space Europe sector
     
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  19. ozzfloyd

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    Commit 'war crimes' or lose your entire crew? Sorry, but fuck the Geneva Convention.
     
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  20. Mirror Mirror

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    The captain was also Trained at an Andorian War college, this is so something Andorians would do.