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Scotty in Trek XI [spoilers?]

I really don't think any of those dates mean anything now - and many of them never did.

If this doesn't work out for Trek, there won't be another live-action movie or TV series to continue on with.

I don't believe that. Trek may be on hiatus, but from what the past has shown us that it seems to keep coming back somehow. It was a good ten years between TOS and TMP, so I wouldn't be surprised if they came back with something ten years from now if Trek XI isn't successful. And from the looks of the trailer, I think this film will be successful.
 
I read somewhere (don't ask me where, I forget) that Pegg filmed his scenes in five weeks. Sounds like more than two scenes' worth of work to me.

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I didn't mean for the "two scenes" bit to be literal. ;)
Ah! lol - well, I still think my reasoning is sound. Five weeks' work is more than a bit-part. So I'm agreeing with you - why cast him for a small role?

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I read somewhere (don't ask me where, I forget) that Pegg filmed his scenes in five weeks. Sounds like more than two scenes' worth of work to me.

:D
I didn't mean for the "two scenes" bit to be literal. ;)
Ah! lol - well, I still think my reasoning is sound. Five weeks' work is more than a bit-part. So I'm agreeing with you - why cast him for a small role?

:D
I think I recall reading (either while filming was still underway or shortly after it was concluded) that Nimoy had more scenes with Pegg than with any of the other principals. This would jibe with some of the plot details we've heard more recently, and suggests to me that the role of Scotty is a pretty substantial one in the movie.
 
I didn't mean for the "two scenes" bit to be literal. ;)
Ah! lol - well, I still think my reasoning is sound. Five weeks' work is more than a bit-part. So I'm agreeing with you - why cast him for a small role?

:D
I think I recall reading (either while filming was still underway or shortly after it was concluded) that Nimoy had more scenes with Pegg than with any of the other principals. This would jibe with some of the plot details we've heard more recently, and suggests to me that the role of Scotty is a pretty substantial one in the movie.

I remember that, too. But to me, it conflicts with some of the plot details. That is, Scotty is supposed to appear rather late in the movie. I think I read he's the last of the original seven to appear.

Spock seems surprised to run into him on the ice planet ("Fascinating, you are Montgomery Scott," he is reported to say), so that may be the first time Spock meets Scotty. Spock does not accompany them onto the Enterprise at the end of the scene. So, it seems as if that's their only meeting. So who knows what's going on? Guess I'll have to buy a movie ticket.
 
But are all of those scenes on the ice planet, I wonder?

I think I recall reading (either while filming was still underway or shortly after it was concluded) that Nimoy had more scenes with Pegg than with any of the other principals. This would jibe with some of the plot details we've heard more recently, and suggests to me that the role of Scotty is a pretty substantial one in the movie.

I remember that, too. But to me, it conflicts with some of the plot details. That is, Scotty is supposed to appear rather late in the movie. I think I read he's the last of the original seven to appear.

Spock seems surprised to run into him on the ice planet ("Fascinating, you are Montgomery Scott," he is reported to say), so that may be the first time Spock meets Scotty. Spock does not accompany them onto the Enterprise at the end of the scene. So, it seems as if that's their only meeting. So who knows what's going on? Guess I'll have to buy a movie ticket.
I guess we all will, if we want to find out (fiendishly clever, that J.J.!)

I get an impression of theirs as a side plot which joins the main one at some point, but an impression is all, just now. I will have to see how it plays out.
 
Dunno about Pegg's version, but the original Scott was born in 2222, was commissioned into Starfleet in 2242; you can say he entered the Academy that year on a cadet's commission, or you can say he graduated from the Academy in that year -- if the latter's the case, he entered Starfleet at 20, and if the former is, then he'd have to have entered at sixteen, assuming the Academy's four year. Most indicators are that it is.

If you go by the novel Kobayashi Maru (non-canon but his story was cool), then he spent a stint in Command School before moving over to Engineering, so you can guess that maybe he went in at 18, as would be pretty standard I think even in that century, but didn't end up in the Engineering division until he was 19 or 20. Makes sense to me, as it's not exactly standard practice in any naval force that I know for the Chief Engineer to also be the second officer, carrying out dual jobs like that.

Either way, he's about 44 when TOS starts, making him twice the age of the youngest confirmed member (Chekov). Kirk's age was also confirmed in canon, at 34 (right?), so you've got quite a good spread of ages in the original cast. The rest are conjecture, but solid conjecture based on actor's age and plain old common sense.

As to Pegg...

I'm sure I'll be argued with, because there are plenty of folks lurking around who jump on every chance they can to argue about it, but I don't plan on coming back to this thread (in other words, don't bother, I'm entitled to an opinion, you're entitled to disagree and I'm entitled to ignore you), so... by all means.

I don't think Pegg can do it. A lot of folks forget that there was more to Scott than just the stereotypes they admittedly abused in TOS; he did have moments of genuine sharp, where he was a very effective commander. He definitely had moments where it showed he was smart and canny both, and that there was more to him than just deus-ex-machina. One thing you never doubted about him was that he was capable of leading his people, and even commanding the whole ship, even when he was sometimes saying something kinda on the stupid side.

(Unless a woman was involved; then all bets were off and he was a total twit. But that's a neat character flaw.)

There's just no way Pegg could ever play this character. Scotty was a whole lot of Jimmy Doohan, a whole lot of untapped potential, a couple cheap stereotypes and an accent, and it was Doohan who gave him those moments of intensity and canniness. It was definitely Doohan who gave him a lot of his quirks, both good and bad, and heck, it was Doohan that gave him his own middle name. You can't ever expect anyone else to take a character so completely belonging to someone else, and do a credible job of it.

Honestly, I don't think anyone could have. Really, I feel that way about all of them, but most strongly about Scotty, and certainly about Jimmy Doohan, who was an excellent character actor on stage, radio, television and even film. And an excellent human being besides.

No matter how much Simon tries, the best he could pull off is to not botch it too badly; he can never make this role his own, it firmly belonged to Doohan. The worst he could do would be a pretty cheap laugh, and very little else. Either way, he'll never be Scotty.

Which is fine with me. The one already there has always been good enough for me.

TL;DR Summary: Scott was about 44 in TOS, Chekov was 22, and I don't think Pegg stands a chance, even if I like him everywhere else.
 
I mean why would Archer allow some cadet to transport presumably himself and Porthos (or even test something on Porthos)? Scotty must have been serving at some starbase or another ship that Archer visited.


I'm still having a wee bit of a problem with the notion that Jonathan Archer would still be alive at a time when Scotty would be in Starfleet. According to the historical databanks in the Defiant, Archer died in 2245, a day after the launch of NCC-1701. If they're still using 2230 as the year Kirk is born (according to the ST Chronology) then this movie should take place around 2255. Which means that Archer should've croaked a decade before these events occur.

Unless Admiral Archer is in fact, a descendant of Jonathan's, possibly his grandson. Certainly the beagle in question is the the cheese-eating Porthos of ENT fame.

Just my .02 worth.

Since this film is going to be different from established canon, I don't think things like this is going to apply to this movie. Which is ok, as long as they don't keep on "reinventing" the 23rd Century. If this doesn't work out for Trek, I would like them to continue on with the 25th century and beyond like it should.

Just my .02 worth :)



The thing is, Old Spock and Nero both come from the established Trek Universe as we know it (late 24th century). Any changes in the timeline would effect events that occur after the change (such as the destruction of the Kelvin). The Kelvin's destruction would have no effect on Archer's era - in other words, it wouldn't have moved those events closer to Kirk's time.

I'm sure there's an answer somewhere, and we'll finally find out what it is next May.
 
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