Scotty in Trek XI [spoilers?]

[darkshadow0001]

I realize Kirk & crew are supposedly just coming fresh out of the academy, but is Scotty still supposed to be the brain factor in engineering like in Trekverse 1.0? I only ask this because of his comments in the trailer, "I like this ship, it's exciting"... it doesn't sound something like the original Scotty would say. I don't have a problem with Simon Pegg being Scotty, I think he's a great choice, just that line and the way he said it made me wonder if this Scotty is going to be "smart" like the other Doohan's.

 

[blaXXer]

Well he WAS serving on a frozen planet for transporter-frying Adm. Archers prize Beagle. You decide.

 

[Finn]

I didnt follow TOS that much, but I was under the impression they had some significant age difference between some of thems. I would think Scotty and McCoy would have been long out of the academy before Chekov and Takei even entered the academy. I know the actors often aren't the same age as the characters they potray but Doohan looked much older than Takei and Keoing in TOS...

 

[NiteTrek]

I don't have a problem with Simon Pegg being Scotty, I think he's a great choice, just that line and the way he said it made me wonder if this Scotty is going to be "smart" like the other Doohan's.

I think he's going to be a "miracle worker" like Doohan was but a little less serious. Pegg will add a humorous aspect to Scotty's personality I think. That's probably what J.J. meant by having the actors bring something else to the charcters and "make them their own" or something to that effect.

If we see more movies with this cast, I can envision Pegg's Scotty being funny but brilliant, no problem. Of course, he'll need a serious side, like when he's left in command and facing a Klingon Battlecruiser but I think Pegg can pull it off.

 

[hammerhead]

I think Scotty will be older and more experienced like Mccoy in the new film as he doesn't seem to have any Academy scenes and remember him and McCoy are both Lt. Commanders (Scotty is the second officer as well) with a bit more seniority than the others, I mean why would Archer allow some cadet to transport presumably himself and Porthos (or even test something on Porthos)? Scotty must have been serving at some starbase or another ship that Archer visited.

 

[Franklin]

He does make a remark on the ice planet that sounds like he's never been on a ship like the Enterprise before. I'm not sure that means much. The remark about Archer's dog is more bothersome. That does seem rather bumbling.

As far as ages go, that's a big kettle of fish to open, because it's full of assumptions based on the ages of the actors in TOS. We pretty much knew Kirk's age and could reckon Spock's. The age of everyone else was supposition based on the actors's ages.

That said, in this movie, it seems Kirk entered the Academy later than he may have had the timeline not been messed up. So, Spock, Uhura, Sulu, and even Chekov (their lives not screwed up) entered the Academy pretty much when they would've anyway and graduated ahead of Kirk. They all ended up on the Enterprise because Pike chose them to be on his crew. It even looks like Sulu, McCoy, and Spock are already officers.

 

[Praetor]

I think they edited together his 'I like this ship, it's exciting' comment together from two separate comments. If you notice we don't actually see him say the first 'I like this ship' which I'm thinking he probably says upon first boarding. I have a feeling that even though Pegg's Scotty is being played for more overt laughs than Doohan, he'll probably do a good job and be within the same range.

Also, from 'The Making of Star Trek' Chapter 7, p 244:

Scotty has knocked around space more than any other man aboard. At one time or another he has served aboard passenger vessels, merchant marine-type vessels, freighters, and a variety of military-type vessels, acquiring a valuable broad-based knowledge of engines and engineering.

That was essentially confirmed by comments made by Scotty in TNG's 'Relics' to Picard and could explain why he's amazed by the Enterprise in the film. I still don't like him having disintegrated a dog and being in exile, but since everyone seems screwed up in this timeline, I guess it's par for the course.

 

[USS Excelsior]

In Relics Scotty is said to be 147 in 2369, meaning he would have been born in 2222. And Scotty mentioned being an engineer for 52 years, so he would have started in 2242.

 

[Kelso]

As far as ages go, that's a big kettle of fish to open, because it's full of assumptions based on the ages of the actors in TOS. We pretty much knew Kirk's age and could reckon Spock's. The age of everyone else was supposition based on the actors's ages.

Kirk and Chekov both gave their ages in season two (34 and 22).

 

[Procutus]

I mean why would Archer allow some cadet to transport presumably himself and Porthos (or even test something on Porthos)? Scotty must have been serving at some starbase or another ship that Archer visited.

I'm still having a wee bit of a problem with the notion that Jonathan Archer would still be alive at a time when Scotty would be in Starfleet. According to the historical databanks in the Defiant, Archer died in 2245, a day after the launch of NCC-1701. If they're still using 2230 as the year Kirk is born (according to the ST Chronology) then this movie should take place around 2255. Which means that Archer should've croaked a decade before these events occur.

Unless Admiral Archer is in fact, a descendant of Jonathan's, possibly his grandson. Certainly the beagle in question is the the cheese-eating Porthos of ENT fame.

Just my .02 worth.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Certainly the beagle in question is the the cheese-eating Porthos of ENT fame.

Just my .02 worth.

A 110 year old beagle?

 

[darkshadow0001]

I mean why would Archer allow some cadet to transport presumably himself and Porthos (or even test something on Porthos)? Scotty must have been serving at some starbase or another ship that Archer visited.

I'm still having a wee bit of a problem with the notion that Jonathan Archer would still be alive at a time when Scotty would be in Starfleet. According to the historical databanks in the Defiant, Archer died in 2245, a day after the launch of NCC-1701. If they're still using 2230 as the year Kirk is born (according to the ST Chronology) then this movie should take place around 2255. Which means that Archer should've croaked a decade before these events occur.

Unless Admiral Archer is in fact, a descendant of Jonathan's, possibly his grandson. Certainly the beagle in question is the the cheese-eating Porthos of ENT fame.

Just my .02 worth.

Since this film is going to be different from established canon, I don't think things like this is going to apply to this movie. Which is ok, as long as they don't keep on "reinventing" the 23rd Century. If this doesn't work out for Trek, I would like them to continue on with the 25th century and beyond like it should.

Just my .02 worth

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I really don't think any of those dates mean anything now - and many of them never did.

If this doesn't work out for Trek, there won't be another live-action movie or TV series to continue on with.

 

[gastrof]

Certainly the beagle in question is the the cheese-eating Porthos of ENT fame.

Just my .02 worth.

A 110 year old beagle?

From the time I was three, every female dog my parents had, well past me coming of age, had the same name, one after the other. Same with any male dogs. There was one name for each gender, and we kept using them.

We aren't the only people who do that. I've had others tell me their family did the same.

It helps fill in that empty spot in your heart a little if you can call out the same name and SOMETHING comes running.

If this whole thing about Archer, Porthos, and Scotty is true (and WHERE did this come from?), then Archer simply kept getting beagles over the years and kept naming them "Porthos"...

...although from the sounds of things, that last one would have been better named "pork roast".

 

[M'Sharak]

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If this whole thing about Archer, Porthos, and Scotty is true (and WHERE did this come from?),

If I'm not mistaken, it came from reports of what was presented by Abrams and others at private screenings for the press in London, Madrid, New York, Los Angeles, etc. [link -- spoilers highly likely] -- Pegg was present for at least the first (London) one.

then Archer simply kept getting beagles over the years and kept naming them "Porthos"...

...although from the sounds of things, that last one would have been better named "pork roast".

Not quite.

Spoiler: The beagle...

...failed to rematerialize after a test of an experimental new transporter technique.

 

[gastrof]

Spoiler: The beagle...

...failed to rematerialize after a test of an experimental new transporter technique.

Oh now you've just spoiled the whole film for me.

 

[Cky]

I think it would be kind of nice to have a little nod towards Enterprise, a quick reference would do.

 

[gastrof]

I think it would be kind of nice to have a little nod towards Enterprise, a quick reference would do.

Again, apparently they do.

I found the actual reference.

Spoiler: preview

http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/20/anthonys-thoughts-on-the-la-star-trek-movie-presentation/

Scene 4 (shown 3rd) - Kirk meets Scotty (and another Spock)

The scene shown third appears to take place at some unknown time after the Romulan attack on Vulcan. Kirk ...and Spock meet Montgomery Scotty (Simon Pegg).... Scotty...starts complaining about the food and how long he has been stationed at this outpost after his failed attempt to transport Admiral Archer’s ‘prize beagle’ (Kirk notes that he knows the dog and asks how it is, Scotty says he will tell him when it shows up again).

 

[Allyn Gibson]

If we see more movies with this cast, I can envision Pegg's Scotty being funny but brilliant, no problem. Of course, he'll need a serious side, like when he's left in command and facing a Klingon Battlecruiser but I think Pegg can pull it off.

I've wondered for a while if Scotty might not have a large role in the film, given that Pegg is probably the best-known of the actors for the Enterprise roles, with only Karl Urban as a serious threat. Why cast an actor of Pegg's stature and notoriety if he's only going to spout technobabble in two scenes?

 

[ITL]

If we see more movies with this cast, I can envision Pegg's Scotty being funny but brilliant, no problem. Of course, he'll need a serious side, like when he's left in command and facing a Klingon Battlecruiser but I think Pegg can pull it off.

I've wondered for a while if Scotty might not have a large role in the film, given that Pegg is probably the best-known of the actors for the Enterprise roles, with only Karl Urban as a serious threat. Why cast an actor of Pegg's stature and notoriety if he's only going to spout technobabble in two scenes?

I read somewhere (don't ask me where, I forget) that Pegg filmed his scenes in five weeks. Sounds like more than two scenes' worth of work to me.