Check out the link above, Juan. That one doesn't give Acher's name, but does say admiral. I think one of the TrekToday articles did actually say 'Admiral Archer', which according to his bio on the Defiant, was his rank at time of retirment.
Scotty in [Spoilers]... WTF?
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Check out the link above, Juan. That one doesn't give Acher's name, but does say admiral. I think one of the TrekToday articles did actually say 'Admiral Archer', which according to his bio on the Defiant, was his rank at time of retirment.
...Of course, we will now be stuck with our own impressions of writer intent, and when the movie actually gives a more austere and more ambiguous version of the dialogue, we'll still insist that they must be referring to Archer, that the beagle must have been killed, etc.
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or porthos for that matter.
Ok, time to clear some things up. Scotty came up with the equation for transwarp transporting, and it worked - on fruit. He was so sure though that it would work on a live animal, he tried to prove it with Admiral Archer's beagle (yes, he does mention the admiral's name, though it could be another Archer). When the experiment is less than succesful, Scott is reassigned (not exiled, when he meets Kirk, he thinks he's being relieved) to the icy planet.
True. And the leaked bits mention that there is an engineering installation there, and apparent Starfleet coworkers for Scotty. It's not as if he's playing Robinson Crusoe or anything.
What is far more difficult to accept is the idea that Spock would banish Kirk, Robinson Crusoe style. What we have on that is something like three facts: Kirk was on the ship semi-illegally, Kirk and Spock hate each other's guts at that stage, and we see Kirk climbing from an escape pod up an icy shaft. The last would support a Robinson Crusoe style harsh marooning - I can't see Spock arranging for anything short of a safe landing on a well-maintained platform next to the Starfleet installation, with an armed guard waiting. But the leaks don't go to specifics on this incident yet.
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What is far more difficult to accept is the idea that Spock would banish Kirk, Robinson Crusoe style. What we have on that is something like three facts: Kirk was on the ship semi-illegally, Kirk and Spock hate each other's guts at that stage, and we see Kirk climbing from an escape pod up an icy shaft. The last would support a Robinson Crusoe style harsh marooning - I can't see Spock arranging for anything short of a safe landing on a well-maintained platform next to the Starfleet installation, with an armed guard waiting. But the leaks don't go to specifics on this incident yet.
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Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?
Old Spock as from the timeline as we know it. What I think Spock finds fascinating is that this timeline's Scotty is on the planet Kirk happens to get marooned on.
Old Spock as from the timeline as we know it. What I think Spock finds fascinating is that this timeline's Scotty is on the planet Kirk happens to get marooned on.
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I don't he was banished to some place deserted. They probably dropped him off at the nearest planet with a starfleet installation and told them where to find the pod.
I'm thinking maybe it was a stuffed Porthos on display with a statute of Archer and Scotty was tinkering with the transporter and tried to beam the stuffed beagle and it didn't work.
That one, I could live with.
It works as well as any scenario I've heard so far, and a lot better than some. Since it's probably going to come and go in seconds anyway, it'll all be in the delivery, whichever way they handle it.
I vote for "left on the cutting room floor."
No, Scotty wanted to prove the transwarp transporter worked on living subjects. Turns out, it don't, until Spock does the old "give-the-inventor-the-equation" trick.
Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?
Personally, I am glad JJ & Co. are getting away from the uber-dull PC mentality and back to action! A good moral is great, but I'd rather have it mixed with some good old-fashioned kick-ass action! If that means a beagle has to bite the dust then so be it...
That was a creepy episode. I guess because I grew up watching Will Robinson as a nice kid. Thanks for the pic!
Personally, I am glad JJ & Co. are getting away from the uber-dull PC mentality and back to action! A good moral is great, but I'd rather have it mixed with some good old-fashioned kick-ass action! If that means a beagle has to bite the dust then so be it...
One of the aspects from the scenes that were previewed this week by the press is the one in which New Spock banishes James Dean Kirk to some snowy Gulag Archipeligo, where he runs into Old Spock and Scotty, who's apparently been sent there because he accidently disassembled Admiral Archer's beagle in a transporter experiment.
Does any of that make sense to anyone, or is it just me having a problem here?
My basic question is, how much of that scenario is a result of a 'butterfly effect' from Nero's initial tampering with the timeline? Is this a memory that Old Spock has (that he sent Kirk to this place and that Scotty was there to begin with) or is this something that never occured in the timeline which we all are familiar with?
This just doesn't sound like the Starfleet I'm familiar with, banishing officers for making mistakes. How long has Scotty been there, I wonder, when Kirk and Old Spock show up?
I hope there's some kind of explanation in the film for this strange scenario. Mainly, I'm curious to know if anyone else feels that this is just... Odd.
what the heck did i just read
I'm sorry, but I don't understand why some of you can't "live with" it being a real beagle? Scotty obviously wasn't doing it to be cruel; he was probably very confident that it would work.
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