Scotty in [Spoilers]... WTF?

[Procutus]

One of the aspects from the scenes that were previewed this week by the press is the one in which New Spock banishes James Dean Kirk to some snowy Gulag Archipeligo, where he runs into Old Spock and Scotty, who's apparently been sent there because he accidently disassembled Admiral Archer's beagle in a transporter experiment.



Does any of that make sense to anyone, or is it just me having a problem here?

My basic question is, how much of that scenario is a result of a 'butterfly effect' from Nero's initial tampering with the timeline? Is this a memory that Old Spock has (that he sent Kirk to this place and that Scotty was there to begin with) or is this something that never occured in the timeline which we all are familiar with?

This just doesn't sound like the Starfleet I'm familiar with, banishing officers for making mistakes. How long has Scotty been there, I wonder, when Kirk and Old Spock show up?

I hope there's some kind of explanation in the film for this strange scenario. Mainly, I'm curious to know if anyone else feels that this is just... Odd.

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

One of the aspects from the scenes that were previewed this week by the press is the one in which New Spock banishes James Dean Kirk to some snowy Gulag Archipeligo, where he runs into Old Spock and Scotty, who's apparently been sent there because he accidently disassembled Admiral Archer's beagle in a transporter experiment.

Whoa, wait a minute. You mean this shit from the other thread about Scotty killing Porthos wasn't a joke? This actually happens? In the movie? The fuck?

Sweet mother of the almighty Space Octopus. This movie just got worse, a squillion-fold. That's just bad.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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Due to the "butterfly effect," in this reality Jonathan Archer is an immortal child with vast telekinetic powers. He demands that the adults all call him "Admiral" and when someone displeases him, he "wishes them on to the snow planet."

There, see - a completely plausible explanation that fits perfectly with the tone and "canon" of TOS.

 

[Sector 7]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

Khan was banished to a desolate planet.
Kirk's court martial was because Jamie's daddy was kept from promotion because of a "small mistake" and he got revenge on Kirk.
Spock faked a romance with a Romulan to steal a cloaking device.
Scotty was banished to an ice planet for a transporter accident with a pooch.

I dunno, it all kinda fits in with known Trek.

 

[shapeshifter]

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How the hell could Scotty kill Porthos, was he just a head in a freaking jar?

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

Khan was banished to a desolate planet.
Kirk's court martial was because Jamie's daddy was kept from promotion because of a "small mistake" and he got revenge on Kirk.
Spock faked a romance with a Romulan to steal a cloaking device.
Scotty was banished to an ice planet for a transporter accident with a pooch.

I dunno, it all kinda fits in with known Trek.

Seconded!

Sharr

 

[The Wormhole]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

I don't care if it fits with your perceptions of Trek or not, it still sounds horrible and stupid.

 

[Eric Cheung]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

He's just plain, simple Scotty. But a simple engineer with absolutely no ulterior motives or vices for which he might get in trouble, banished from his people and will ally himself with our heroes to kill a Romulan with some wicked tampering.

 

[starburst]

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Mayb the planet has a subspace listening station or something similar there, you always see it in movies where someone in the CIA does something wrong they get sent to Alaska...this planet is obviously Alaska in space.

 

[Sector 7]

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Mayb the planet has a subspace listening station or something similar there, you always see it in movies where someone in the CIA does something wrong they get sent to Alaska...this planet is obviously Alaska in space.

True... just look where they sent Sarah Palin.

 

[SLWalker]

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I'm kinda wondering what kind of due-process exists in the JJ-verse that 1.) Would allow someone to be tried and convicted for accidentally killing a beagle in an experiment...

I can buy maybe he was charged under animal cruelty laws, and convicted, but then that leads me to 2.) How exactly is marooning someone on an ice-world okay? I mean, if that's how the (para?) military is run in the JJ-verse, then he musta been pulling stuff out of Bush's playbook with Guantanamo Bay.

I'm having a hard enough time picturing Scotty, even a younger and dumbed down version, willfully sending a living critter through an experimental procedure without a really good reason (which he at least had in TOS when he was trying to reintegrate Kirk's split-in-two self), let alone being idiotic enough to actually use an Admiral's PET to do it. Even assuming he's heartless enough to do it in the first place, he should at least be intelligent enough not to piss off an Admiral.

But, even allowing for that throw-away joke, at the expense of a character who did actually have more competent moments in series than not by far, exactly what kind of due-process actually allows for EXILING SOMEONE in a supposedly more enlightened society?

I dunno, I think it's really damn stupid.

 

[Procutus]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

Khan was banished to a desolate planet.
Kirk's court martial was because Jamie's daddy was kept from promotion because of a "small mistake" and he got revenge on Kirk.
Spock faked a romance with a Romulan to steal a cloaking device.
Scotty was banished to an ice planet for a transporter accident with a pooch.

I dunno, it all kinda fits in with known Trek.

Well, when you put it that way...

 

[The Evil Dead]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

If this is true, it's like I'm being dared to be optimistic about this film.

I want to like this movie, I want it to be cool, I'm totally fine with a reboot! Rename characters, make Kirk black, FUCK CANON, I don't care, gimme a good story and make it look kewl! But the more I learn about it, eh...

 

[Procutus]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

I'm having a hard enough time picturing Scotty, even a younger and dumbed down version, willfully sending a living critter through an experimental procedure without a really good reason (which he at least had in TOS when he was trying to reintegrate Kirk's split-in-two self), let alone being idiotic enough to actually use an Admiral's PET to do it. Even assuming he's heartless enough to do it in the first place, he should at least be intelligent enough not to piss off an Admiral.

Here's the other aspect of the Archer's Beagle Experiment that bugs me: The time-frame is off. 'In A Mirror Darkly' established that Archer died in 2245. So far, we don't know exactly what year (or years) Abrams' Trek takes place in, but if Kirk has already graduated from Starfleet Academy, then there's no way that Jonathan Archer could still be alive.

Unless Admiral Archer is either his son or grandson.

 

[Plecostomus]

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Ok, I made a mistake at a job once, and I was moved from turret lathe operator to shipping and receiving... I was told to either accept my "retrograde promotion" or quit.

I quit.

So Scotty pissed someone off and got "promoted" to this location as a punishment.

And lastly I don't think it was stated directly that it was Porthos, just that he killed the Admrial's begle with a transporter experiment. Assuming it was Archer and Porthos repsectivly that was just a joke.

There are all sorts of situations that could lead to this: Maybe the Admiral wanted Scotty to develop this procedure and demanded results before Scotty had debugged the process. Said Admiral demands a demo, and Scotty... rather than risking a human... tests the procedure on the dog instead.

See? It's not so hard. I'm basing stuff off of REAL LIFE situations. Stuff like this happens to real people in real life every day. I know, I'm one of them... you screw up you get punished. *shrug*

 

[SLWalker]

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I think there's a difference between getting punished and getting exiled. But ultimately, as nice as it is that you're willing to go and explain for ole JJ there, and try to make sense out of something I'm absolutely sure he won't even bother addressing, it's not on you to make excuses. It's on him to make a storyline make sense.

So far, that seems more like it was set-up for a one-off joke of a line than any particularly inspired reason. It's the same kind of cheap-shot as having Kirk 'steady himself' on Uhura's breasts, and the same kind of braindeaded joking that has Kirk talking about his magical tongue and whatnot. And her talking about how he screws farm animals.

I mean, there's really only so far that you can explain before the stupid overwhelms even the best intentions, y'know?

 

[Eric Cheung]

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Am I missing something? Where was it specifically stated that his transporter experiment was the cause of his exile?

 

[OneBuckFilms]

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It struck me as odd that any Starfleet personnel would be exiled, especially when the ship has a Brig.

If a crewman gets on your nerves to a dangerous degree, arrest them and have them put in the Brig.

I'd have to see it all in context, but either Scotty or Kirk being exiled is incredibly odd to me.

 

[Procutus]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

Am I missing something? Where was it specifically stated that his transporter experiment was the cause of his exile?

Check this out:


http://www.empireonline.com/empireblog/Post.asp?id=313

 

[SLWalker]

Re: Scotty in exile... WTF?

It struck me as odd that any Starfleet personnel would be exiled, especially when the ship has a Brig.

If a crewman gets on your nerves to a dangerous degree, arrest them and have them put in the Brig.

I'd have to see it all in context, but either Scotty or Kirk being exiled is incredibly odd to me.

Yeah. To actually get to the point of exiling people, without any kind of due-process (like a court martial, or a hearing, or appeals, or whatever), I'm kinda scared of whatever kind of future JJ's picturing. Then again, I didn't necessarily think Kirk exiling Kahn in Space Seed was a good move, either...

Either way, it's silly.