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scifi TV series ripe for a reboot

Don't get me wrong, I have fond memories of Space: 1999. The visual effects were generally pretty amazing. But even as a teen watching it in the 70s, I knew the science was attrocious and some of the acting a little dodgy. And I got sick of the "only-the-Commander-can-see-what's-going-on-so-everyone-thinks-he's-crazy" episodes, which happened even more in the 2nd series. :rolleyes:

Well, as I said the 1976 reboot was a disaster. I have no regard for it. (Which some people seem to think is a "second series" - crazy! :))

Oddly enough, I have very few fond memories of Space: 1999. Really, I rediscovered in 1992 as an adult viewer, and that basically changed my life.

As for the science, well, it was no worse than any other sci-fi show of the sixties or seventies, such as that Star Trek thing for instance. In fact, I'd argue that Space: 1999 uses lots of big and bold science ideas in imaginative and mysterious ways. Maybe they'd make a scientist chuckle, but I find that far more interesting than a load of technobabble.

It was a fun concept, but it would need a major overhaul to make it in today's TV climate. YMMV, of course.

No, I absolutely agree with you. But then, I don't watch a lot of tv today. Something as unique and engaging as Space: 1999 wouldn't fit in, I'm sure. If you had to water down the concept to make it fit into a modern style, there wouldn't be any point. It would be like pissing in a fine wine. It was what it was, the greatest science fiction series ever made.
 
Don't get me wrong, I have fond memories of Space: 1999. The visual effects were generally pretty amazing. But even as a teen watching it in the 70s, I knew the science was attrocious and some of the acting a little dodgy. And I got sick of the "only-the-Commander-can-see-what's-going-on-so-everyone-thinks-he's-crazy" episodes, which happened even more in the 2nd series. :rolleyes:

Well, as I said the 1976 reboot was a disaster. I have no regard for it. (Which some people seem to think is a "second series" - crazy! :))

I was using "series" more in the English sense, what we in America would call a second "season". And yes, there were A LOT of pretty big changes from the first to second season, largely unexplained.

Oddly enough, I have very few fond memories of Space: 1999. Really, I rediscovered in 1992 as an adult viewer, and that basically changed my life.

As for the science, well, it was no worse than any other sci-fi show of the sixties or seventies, such as that Star Trek thing for instance. In fact, I'd argue that Space: 1999 uses lots of big and bold science ideas in imaginative and mysterious ways. Maybe they'd make a scientist chuckle, but I find that far more interesting than a load of technobabble.

The modern Trek series were certainly guilty of over-relying on technobabble, moreso than the original series. But I'd still place Star Trek (TOS) head-and-shoulders above Space:1999 in the science department, in general. (Yes, TOS DID have some real :wtf: science moments, I'll agree. But overall...) Admitedly, I haven't seen Space:1999 in a looong time (though I'd love to watch it again), but even the main premise (the Moon blasted out of orbit by an explosion of nuclear waste, unless you accept that some "higher power" was responsible, as was hinted at later; and traveling between star systems weekly) was beyond credibility; I'm pretty sure more outlandish feats followed.

I've always viewed Space:1999 as goofy fun with great spaceships. (Loved the comkey concept, too!) But it was far from the worst SF on TV during the 70s -- recall Logan's Run (the series), or the 2nd season of Buck Rogers. <shudder>

Andrew_Kearley said:
DrCorby said:
It was a fun concept, but it would need a major overhaul to make it in today's TV climate. YMMV, of course.

No, I absolutely agree with you. But then, I don't watch a lot of tv today. Something as unique and engaging as Space: 1999 wouldn't fit in, I'm sure. If you had to water down the concept to make it fit into a modern style, there wouldn't be any point. It would be like pissing in a fine wine. It was what it was, the greatest science fiction series ever made.

Ah, a true believer. ;) As an old-school Star Trek fan, I recognize the devotion. So we'll have to disagree on the relative placement of our favorites in the SF TV pantheon. :) But I am re-inspired to try to re-watch Space:1999 sometime soon to re-experience the fun.
 
Don't get me wrong, I have fond memories of Space: 1999. The visual effects were generally pretty amazing. But even as a teen watching it in the 70s, I knew the science was attrocious and some of the acting a little dodgy. And I got sick of the "only-the-Commander-can-see-what's-going-on-so-everyone-thinks-he's-crazy" episodes, which happened even more in the 2nd series. :rolleyes:

Well, as I said the 1976 reboot was a disaster. I have no regard for it. (Which some people seem to think is a "second series" - crazy! :))

I was using "series" more in the English sense, what we in America would call a second "season". And yes, there were A LOT of pretty big changes from the first to second season, largely unexplained.

Yes, I know. I'm English. I wouldn't have thought you meant anything else. :techman: That's my whole point though. The second series is a reboot. Despite what its producers might have claimed for it. They change the setting, the costumes, the music, they change the style of storytelling, they eliminate most of the characters and bring in new ones without any explanation. But worse than that, they change the philosophy, the ethos.

The modern Trek series were certainly guilty of over-relying on technobabble, moreso than the original series. But I'd still place Star Trek (TOS) head-and-shoulders above Space:1999 in the science department, in general. (Yes, TOS DID have some real :wtf: science moments, I'll agree. But overall...)
Well, the way I see it, most popular tv sci-fi mucks around with the laws of physics. The approaches are different. It strikes me that Star Trek's attitude is to say, it's the future and man's technology has overcome the nature of reality. So you can have matter transportation, and faster-than-light travel, and what have you, as long as you've got a machine that you say can do these things. It's just a magic wand really, but it's dressed up in technical-sounding terms. Space: 1999 on the other hand, presented the universe as a strange, scary and unknowable place - our heroes were not futuristic space adventurers, they were completely unprepared to face what was happening to them. So when things happened that defied all their (20th Century) understanding of science, sometimes they just had to roll with it.

Admitedly, I haven't seen Space:1999 in a looong time (though I'd love to watch it again), but even the main premise (the Moon blasted out of orbit by an explosion of nuclear waste, unless you accept that some "higher power" was responsible, as was hinted at later; and traveling between star systems weekly) was beyond credibility;
Funny, isn't it? Everyone always says that (i.e. travelling between star systems weekly) but it doesn't happen at all. Not first series anyway. In the 24 episodes, they actually encounter 9 star systems (and a couple of wandering rogue planets) and the series events take place over a period of at least three years. Now obviously, I accept that several months journey time between star systems is impossible. But I don't think that's what the show is about. It's a sort of modern-day myth really, an epic saga about the group of wanderers cast adrift in the wild and hostile universe. It's the journey that's important, not the means by which it takes place. And like the ancient myths, the "gods" are driving the fate of our heroes. Yes, I certainly do accept that higher powers are responsible for what's going on. It's not a hint, it's definitely stated within the series. Their odyssey is planned out for them. On the way, they restore lift to the planet Piri, advance the Atherians to their higher state of being, and return human life to its original location on Arkadia. And Arra prophesies that the Alphans' destiny is to multiply and spread throughout the universe. Now, I don't believe in "gods", but if non-corporeal beings are guiding what's going on, we don't really know what technology they've got at their disposal, only that it's impossible for us mere humans to grasp what it is. It's an application of Clarke's third law. If they're guiding the Moon's course, then it's not a stretch to me to imagine that they're using space warps of some kind to advance the Moon through the universe (and they certainly do encounter more than one space warp in the actual episodes) - nor is it a stretch to go right back and postulate that the Moon's initial breakaway was somehow engineered by fiendishly complex technology. They even say in the series that it's impossible, that they should have been destroyed.

Ah, a true believer. ;) As an old-school Star Trek fan, I recognize the devotion. So we'll have to disagree on the relative placement of our favorites in the SF TV pantheon. :) But I am re-inspired to try to re-watch Space:1999 sometime soon to re-experience the fun.

Do it! Just stay away from series 2...
 
I'll add my vote for series done right the second time around: Sliders, Earth: Final Conflict (but keep the first season) and Space: 1999.

Space: 1999 was done right the first time around.:D

And it's already been rebooted once, in 1976. And that was a disaster. No need to tread that path again, methinks.

Stargate Universe was about as close as you could get I think to a spiritual successor to Space: 1999.
 
A show that hasn't been mentioned yet but had an interesting premise and some pretty enjoyable episodes: Seven Days. Fixing bad events by going back seven days into the past...

Yeah. I love that show. I miss that show. I really really wish CBS would put it on DVD! I loved the Parker/Olga chemistry. And after rewatching the series recently thanks to ...fairies... I can say it still holds up pretty well. It was never particularly ambitious but it was great fun action escapism.

Maybe they could do an American remake of the British series Hex, about a teenage girl in a private school who learns that she is a witch, the next in a long line of witches. It had promise and I loved Thelma & her unrequited crush on Cassie. However, the show had some major kinks that needed to be worked out. Season 1 was just kinda boring because nothing ever happened. There was a general sense of menace but hardly any plot. Azazeal's villainy mostly consisted of standing in the distance and staring at Cassie while she wasn't looking. (BTW, I just realized that Azazeal was played by Michael Fassbender, Magneto from X-Men: First Class.) Season 2 injected some badly needed Buffy-esque action but has a big disconnect from the 1st season because they killed off Cassie, the main character, which also kind of undermined the only reason why Thelma was still hanging around.

Similarly, I think Tru Calling would have lasted longer had they worked out most of the kinks before they aired the show, instead of flailing around blindly until episode 13, by which point most viewers had given up.

I'm still flummoxed that the Sci-Fi channel didn't bring back Firefly at some point. It's been a consistently strong seller on DVD, has a still quite vocal fanbase, and seemed to only gain popularity after its cancellation. Even now, 8 years after FOX cancelled it, a recent NPR poll rated it as the cancelled TV show that listeners most wanted to see return. (#2 in the poll was Deadwood, so maybe people just miss the Western more than we thought.) I think you could still bring it back successfully with few problems. Granted, you'd probably have to switch out some characters, since Nathan Fillion & Adam Baldwin both have major gigs now on Castle & Chuck, respectively. But if anyone could sustain interest through that kind of change, it's Joss Whedon.
 
...But I don't think that's what the show is about. It's a sort of modern-day myth really, an epic saga about the group of wanderers cast adrift in the wild and hostile universe. It's the journey that's important, not the means by which it takes place. And like the ancient myths, the "gods" are driving the fate of our heroes. Yes, I certainly do accept that higher powers are responsible for what's going on. It's not a hint, it's definitely stated within the series. Their odyssey is planned out for them. On the way, they restore lift to the planet Piri, advance the Atherians to their higher state of being, and return human life to its original location on Arkadia. And Arra prophesies that the Alphans' destiny is to multiply and spread throughout the universe. Now, I don't believe in "gods", but if non-corporeal beings are guiding what's going on, we don't really know what technology they've got at their disposal, only that it's impossible for us mere humans to grasp what it is. It's an application of Clarke's third law. If they're guiding the Moon's course, then it's not a stretch to me to imagine that they're using space warps of some kind to advance the Moon through the universe (and they certainly do encounter more than one space warp in the actual episodes) - nor is it a stretch to go right back and postulate that the Moon's initial breakaway was somehow engineered by fiendishly complex technology. They even say in the series that it's impossible, that they should have been destroyed.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I'll definitely keep that viewpoint in mind when I'm able to re-watch it.

But... I won't be able to stay away from Series 2. I did enjoy Catherine Schell's "Maya", as corny as as her shape-changing could sometimes be. Plus, who can resist Brian Blessed's scene-chewing as Maya's father? :techman:
 
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