First of all, calm down kid.
Kid? Kid? How... cute... to be called "kid" by someone twenty years younger than me.
There were several references to other ships Kirk served on as a Lieutenant or Lieutenant Commander, previous assignments etc, but there were no outright lines refering to previous "commands".
This has been discussed multiple times on this BBS, in fact, and each time it's eventually agreed although (as I said) it was never OVERTLY STATED that Kirk had held a prior command, there's plenty of evidence that this was the intention (including but not limited to what I mentioned before).It is true that Kirk was the youngest officer to be granted Starship command. This, ALSO, was never overtly stated on-screen, though... it came from the series bible... which is also where the other items came from.
Furthermore, it's just LUDICROUS to assume that any organization would put one of their twelve most capable vessels into the hands of an UNPROVEN COMMANDING OFFICER.
Real militaries don't do that. They put people into "little commands" prior to putting them into "big commands."
They kept with this theme in TNG. The 1701-D wasn't Picard's first command. And Riker wasn't offered a Galaxy (or Sovereign) Class as his first command... he was offered several smaller vessels (and eventually GOT a smaller vessel).
But I wouldn't expect you to know that at your young age, "kid." :thumbsup:That was not the intention of the scene. And by that same argument, you could argue that KIRK was "in decline" due to his frequent questioning... the "Captain Dunsel" incident alone was far more depressing than Pike's "why me" speech.
The reality is that both Kirk and Pike were written to be very similar, and had Jeffrey Hunter stayed with the series, he would have been "the youngest captain" instead of Shatner's Kirk. He was not any more "tortured" than Kirk was going to be. Go back and watch the original show... there's plenty of evidence of that.No, we're not told that. We're told that Kirk met Pike when he took command of the Enterprise, and it is widely accepted that Pike was turning over his command to Kirk at the time. The Cage was set over a decade prior to the first-season episode "The Menagerie" where it was mentioned that Kirk had met Chris Pike at that point. So it's pretty evident that Pike commanded the ship for about another TEN YEARS after the Talos incident.
The show bible is not canon, a lot of the information in it changes from page to screen. Its never stated in the show that hes married nevermind divorced, as something else pointed out that would have been covered in a 4th season should there have been one.
So, what you're saying is that your PERSONAL OPINION should trump what the people who were actually making the show intended?
Sorry, you'll have to convince me why I should ignore what Gene Roddenberry, Gene Coon, John D.F. Black, etc, etc said and instead listen to what you say.
We have no canon explanation for why he joined the service, possibly he become more driven by his fathers death, to do more, to save as many people as he could and joined the service. But if you mean should we be seeing more of the consequences of that event and how 'exactly' it made him sign up, then yes I'd like to see it too.
It is definitely "canon" that McCoy was traumatized by the loss of his father (as described in ST-V). But that doesn't disprove in any way the effect that his divorce (which was the intention of the guys who made the show, so it doesn't really matter to me if you personally like it or not) would also have had major impact.
I think we'd both agree that joining Starfleet was something he did to find a sense of purpose in his life... and I think it would be a VERY interesting story arc to see how he went from being depressed and purposeless (whether or not his divorce and separation from his daughter... or his father's death... or both... or that and other things as well... were behind it!) to realizing that a career in Starfleet could give him that sense of purpose.
way too seriously blow up.
