Scenes you feel NEED to be in this film...

[Superman]

This can be from a creative/narrative standpoint or simple fanboy hunger for a "kewl" scene.

Mine fits both categories. I want a scene that exactly mirrors Kirk's reaction to approaching the refit Enterprise in TMP.

Of course this time, it's brand-new Captain Kirk approaching the TOS Enterprise.

I don't just want a scene of Kirk approaching in a pod. I want to see his face as he looks out at her, and then the reflection of the Enterprise in the window.

This scene MUST happen, or I will toss Molotov cocktails at the screen and throttle the youths who sold me my ticket and popcorn and candy!!!!

Yes.

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[Kegek]

I think a Spock/McCoy spat is fairly mandatory. If you want to sell me on Quinto and Urban in those roles, give me that banter that brought so much life to the series and earlier movies.

 

[shapeshifter]

The first occasion of Scotty multiplying a repair time by a factor of 10.

 

[Kemaiku]

Something that shows us the beginning of Pike's reluctance to command, I know the Rigel incident we see in The Cage was the last straw, and made him push for his promotion to his role in training a new generation of cadets, watching over them until his accident.

But I want to see the events leading him down that path, what loss, what indecision starting him doubting himself so much.

Even just a hint, or some event in the film, would be nice.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

I want to see Spock talking to his protege, "passing the torch" to a new generation. (That won't be Quinto, by the way... I'm talking someone else!)

I want to see young Kirk being mentored by a very SANE Ben Finney.

I want to see Gary Mitchell steering Carol Marcus towards "lightening up" Jim Kirk.

I want to see Spock's final spat with his dad prior to leaving for the Academy.

I want to see Kirk "take command" for the first time (but not of the Enterprise).

I want to see the event that causes Spock to come to respect Jim Kirk.

I want to see the event that causes the civilian Leonard McCoy to decide to sign onto Starfleet.

Oh...

I also want to hear Chekov scream, see Scotty drink something green, see Uhura raise hailing frequencies, and hear Sulu say "Aye sir" a half-dozen times.

 

[Kemaiku]

Spocks respect for Kirk wasn't based on one event, but rather built quickly by serving under Kirk after years of watching Pike's decline.

The Enterprise *was* Kirk's first command.

And I think it was one of the previous Dax hosts that was meant to have noticed McCoy's "healing hands" and motioned him towards the medical career, or at least serving on a starship with his skills.

 

[StarTrek1701]

I think a Spock/McCoy spat is fairly mandatory. If you want to sell me on Quinto and Urban in those roles, give me that banter that brought so much life to the series and earlier movies.

Came in here to say that. In addition to that I would like for Pine to have a special scene where it is set in stone why Kirk would become the legend in the known galaxy.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

That hot tub scene from Sam Cogley's avatar.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Spocks respect for Kirk wasn't based on one event, but rather built quickly by serving under Kirk after years of watching Pike's decline.

Prove it. You think Pike was in "decline" for years? Support that... with ANYTHING.

The Enterprise *was* Kirk's first command.

Prove it. There's plenty of evidence that it WASN'T Kirk's first command (though none of it "hard and fast") but there is NO evidence that it was. I seem to recall that Kirk's first command was actually referred to in an episode as having been a "destroyer-type" vessel. And there's the line that Kirk was once a warrior but "is an explorer now." And, of course, there's the original series bible, and the fact that in the REAL military no one is ever given command of the biggest, most powerful ship in the fleet without having proven themself previously in command of a smaller vessel.

And I think it was one of the previous Dax hosts that was meant to have noticed McCoy's "healing hands" and motioned him towards the medical career, or at least serving on a starship with his skills.

It was established in the original series Bible that McCoy was divorced... had been through a particularly ugly one... and left behind an unnamed ex-wife and a daughter named Joanna (the original "space hippies" show was going to involve her, in fact).

The DS9 episode you refer to only states that she knew him as a medical student at Old Miss, where she was engaged in gymnastics and he had "excellent hands." There's NO implication that she encouraged him to join Starfleet. In fact, SHE was not involved in anything of that sort at the time... she was a GYMNAST, not a starship officer!

You've got your own "personal canon" and that's great... most of us do... but your "conclusive statements" are not what the original series people had in mind, and this movie is being done by people who KNOW the original series (down to having the Enterprise's component's constructed planetside at the San Francisco Naval Yards... which also came from the original series production team's concept).

McCoy joined Starfleet after a nasty divorce, in order to find a purpose in his life. That's part of the original character background. Kirk commanded a destroyer-type ship for a couple of years before being given Enterprise. That's part of the original character background.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

In addition to that I would like for Pine to have a special scene where it is set in stone why Kirk would become the legend in the known galaxy.

That can't be "a scene." A single scene can't do that... not in a way that will sell it to the audience.

I think that's the point of the whole movie, though. I've said it before and I'll say it again... I still think we're seeing a movie about how Kirk went from being the callow Iowa farmboy to being the legendary figure known throughout the galaxy... and that we're going to see the whole thing as told through the eyes of Spock (both as Quinto and as Nimoy).

Whether this involves "time travel" or just storytelling conventions remains to be proven, however.

 

[Kemaiku]

First of all, calm down kid. There were several references to other ships Kirk served on as a Lieutenant or Lieutenant Commander, previous assignments etc, but there were no outright lines refering to previous "commands".

He was supposed to have broken the record for being the youngest Captain, which he could not have done had he commanded another starship for years prior to the Enterprise.

Pike's decline is seen in The Cage, were his command crew seem to have acknowledged his pessimism, Dr. Piper tries to help him (the scene in his quarters) but it seems those feelings of having failed his crew have gone on for some time.

Soon after this incident he was promoted to Fleet Captain away from serving as a starship commander, as we're told in The Menagerie.

The show bible is not canon, a lot of the information in it changes from page to screen. Its never stated in the show that hes married nevermind divorced, as something else pointed out that would have been covered in a 4th season should there have been one.

We have no canon explanation for why he joined the service, possibly he become more driven by his fathers death, to do more, to save as many people as he could and joined the service. But if you mean should we be seeing more of the consequences of that event and how 'exactly' it made him sign up, then yes I'd like to see it too.

 

[StarTrek1701]

That can't be "a scene." A single scene can't do that... not in a way that will sell it to the audience.

I think that's the point of the whole movie, though. I've said it before and I'll say it again... I still think we're seeing a movie about how Kirk went from being the callow Iowa farmboy to being the legendary figure known throughout the galaxy... and that we're going to see the whole thing as told through the eyes of Spock (both as Quinto and as Nimoy).

Whether this involves "time travel" or just storytelling conventions remains to be proven, however.

You missed my point entirely. And as per my observations about you, you completely misjudged what I wrote. All I said was there has to be a scene where it shows the first stepping stone which shows how Kirk became the Kirk we all love and admire. It doesn't have to span every scene about him, just a bit of the movie will do fine. Please stop overanalysing everything.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

That hot tub scene from Sam Cogley's avatar.

Yep, that would be the one essential.

 

[Tralah]

I want to see Gary Mitchell steering Carol Marcus towards "lightening up" Jim Kirk.

Well, if we do see this, it won't be Carol Marcus. It's been confirmed that she was in an earlier draft of the script but was removed. I kind of doubt we'll see Gary Mitchell at all, since if the character was going to be used it probably would have been leaked to us by now, but it's still possible that he might get at least a passing mention.

 

[Jon1701]

Spocks respect for Kirk wasn't based on one event, but rather built quickly by serving under Kirk after years of watching Pike's decline.

Thats a rather odd statement. Okay, so Pike was somewhat troubled in The Menagerie/The Cage but I'd hardly say he was in "decline". Looked like a pretty confident Captain to me. Having said that, Pike will probably have a totally different characterization in this movie, so those events won't really matter.

I do agree however, that the Enterprise was his first command. It's never been stated outright but I've always seen it that way.

I'd be quite disappointed if it wasn't actually...

 

[EnsignRicky]

Don't say kill a red shirt, Don't say kill a red shirt, don't say kill a red shirt!!

Oh, and....

That hot tub scene from Sam Cogley's avatar.

Ick!!?

 

[archeryguy1701]

He was supposed to have broken the record for being the youngest Captain, which he could not have done had he commanded another starship for years prior to the Enterprise.

Unless, of course, he was the... captain of those ships! :thumbsup:

As for the obligatory scenes, We need a McCoy/ Spock fight, a few dozen dead read shirts, Kirk getting his shirt torn, and Kirk getting it on with some alien woman.

 

[Tralah]

I too hope we'll get some fun McCoy/Spock banters. That was one of my favorite parts about TOS. Their very first meeting might be really fun to witness too.

 

[TIN_MAN]

Spock and Kirks first chess game, where we see the young computer geek (Spock) confident he'll easily win, and the young cocky jock (Kirk) using one of his 'inspired' illogical gambits to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat!

 

[Cary L. Brown]

First of all, calm down kid.

Kid? Kid? How... cute... to be called "kid" by someone twenty years younger than me.

There were several references to other ships Kirk served on as a Lieutenant or Lieutenant Commander, previous assignments etc, but there were no outright lines refering to previous "commands".

This has been discussed multiple times on this BBS, in fact, and each time it's eventually agreed although (as I said) it was never OVERTLY STATED that Kirk had held a prior command, there's plenty of evidence that this was the intention (including but not limited to what I mentioned before).

He was supposed to have broken the record for being the youngest Captain, which he could not have done had he commanded another starship for years prior to the Enterprise.

It is true that Kirk was the youngest officer to be granted Starship command. This, ALSO, was never overtly stated on-screen, though... it came from the series bible... which is also where the other items came from.

Furthermore, it's just LUDICROUS to assume that any organization would put one of their twelve most capable vessels into the hands of an UNPROVEN COMMANDING OFFICER.

Real militaries don't do that. They put people into "little commands" prior to putting them into "big commands."

They kept with this theme in TNG. The 1701-D wasn't Picard's first command. And Riker wasn't offered a Galaxy (or Sovereign) Class as his first command... he was offered several smaller vessels (and eventually GOT a smaller vessel).

But I wouldn't expect you to know that at your young age, "kid." :thumbsup:

Pike's decline is seen in The Cage, were his command crew seem to have acknowledged his pessimism, Dr. Piper tries to help him (the scene in his quarters) but it seems those feelings of having failed his crew have gone on for some time.

That was not the intention of the scene. And by that same argument, you could argue that KIRK was "in decline" due to his frequent questioning... the "Captain Dunsel" incident alone was far more depressing than Pike's "why me" speech.

The reality is that both Kirk and Pike were written to be very similar, and had Jeffrey Hunter stayed with the series, he would have been "the youngest captain" instead of Shatner's Kirk. He was not any more "tortured" than Kirk was going to be. Go back and watch the original show... there's plenty of evidence of that.

Soon after this incident he was promoted to Fleet Captain away from serving as a starship commander, as we're told in The Menagerie.

No, we're not told that. We're told that Kirk met Pike when he took command of the Enterprise, and it is widely accepted that Pike was turning over his command to Kirk at the time. The Cage was set over a decade prior to the first-season episode "The Menagerie" where it was mentioned that Kirk had met Chris Pike at that point. So it's pretty evident that Pike commanded the ship for about another TEN YEARS after the Talos incident.

The show bible is not canon, a lot of the information in it changes from page to screen. Its never stated in the show that hes married nevermind divorced, as something else pointed out that would have been covered in a 4th season should there have been one.

So, what you're saying is that your PERSONAL OPINION should trump what the people who were actually making the show intended?

Sorry, you'll have to convince me why I should ignore what Gene Roddenberry, Gene Coon, John D.F. Black, etc, etc said and instead listen to what you say.

We have no canon explanation for why he joined the service, possibly he become more driven by his fathers death, to do more, to save as many people as he could and joined the service. But if you mean should we be seeing more of the consequences of that event and how 'exactly' it made him sign up, then yes I'd like to see it too.

It is definitely "canon" that McCoy was traumatized by the loss of his father (as described in ST-V). But that doesn't disprove in any way the effect that his divorce (which was the intention of the guys who made the show, so it doesn't really matter to me if you personally like it or not) would also have had major impact.

I think we'd both agree that joining Starfleet was something he did to find a sense of purpose in his life... and I think it would be a VERY interesting story arc to see how he went from being depressed and purposeless (whether or not his divorce and separation from his daughter... or his father's death... or both... or that and other things as well... were behind it!) to realizing that a career in Starfleet could give him that sense of purpose.