"&*^^!(&%%$$#@@" says Thot Gor
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I don't know about the novels, but I would say opportunism. They went at the Dominion's help at the last critical moment to save their ass, so they would be equal members of the partnership (rather than the client state, as Cardassian became).
And if it hadn't been for
1) The lucky klingon engine's re-design
2) The stupidity of the Founder for not capturing/destroying all of the escape pods in Chin'Toka
The Alliance was done for.
And if it hadn't been for
1) The lucky klingon engine's re-design
2) The stupidity of the Founder for not capturing/destroying all of the escape pods in Chin'Toka
The Alliance was done for.
not that i know of, but the Breen appeared in the recent Destiny trilogy, fighting the Borg invasion. Since then, they've now
.
it remains to be seen what happens next...
joined an alliance known as the Typhon Pact along with the Romulan Star Empire, the Gorn, the Tholians, the Tzenkethi and the Kinshaya - a race antagonistic toward the Klingons from novels
it remains to be seen what happens next...
It's possible they were manipulated into the alliance by The Founders. I also remember the Female Changeling offering them Romulus and Earth as well as Cardassian territory at various points ...
To get to the other side of course!
(I don't think anyone had any idea why the Breen suddenly showed up.)
(I don't think anyone had any idea why the Breen suddenly showed up.)
If you ask me, the Breen were fools to think they'd be immune to the same fate that befell the Cardassians, for long.
Damar, to his credit did try and warn the refrigerated fools but alas they didn't listen.
(It was also one of Damar's greatest scenes in my opinion)
You've got to wonder whether how long the Breen would've been content to be the practically defunct Dominion's allies if they had won the war, though. Unlike the Cardassians, who joined the Dominion in their moment of greatest weakness, the Breen apparently joined at their moment of greatest strength.
Cardassian territory was something of an inducement, but I have to imagine more rational minds in the Breen Confederacy were thinking that if it was Cardassian territory they wanted, they could have just joined the war on the Federation's side...
Cardassian territory was something of an inducement, but I have to imagine more rational minds in the Breen Confederacy were thinking that if it was Cardassian territory they wanted, they could have just joined the war on the Federation's side...
The Breen strike me as doing things only if they benefit the Breen - 'Never turn your back on a Breen,' say the Romulans, of all people.
They join the Dominion at a point where they're fighting the combined Federation, Klingon, and Romulan forces to a standstill - three of the largest and most powerful organizations in the known galaxy. This despite having only the resources of Cardassian space ever since the Prophets cut off their Gamma Quadrant reinforcements. To the Breen, that likely does indicate that the Dominion would ultimately prevail - better to jump on board when they can be of help, gain some decent property for helping to defeat the Dominion's enemies, and not have to beg for new territory following the inevitable victory when the Breen wouldn't be able to bargain for something they had no part in taking.
They join the Dominion at a point where they're fighting the combined Federation, Klingon, and Romulan forces to a standstill - three of the largest and most powerful organizations in the known galaxy. This despite having only the resources of Cardassian space ever since the Prophets cut off their Gamma Quadrant reinforcements. To the Breen, that likely does indicate that the Dominion would ultimately prevail - better to jump on board when they can be of help, gain some decent property for helping to defeat the Dominion's enemies, and not have to beg for new territory following the inevitable victory when the Breen wouldn't be able to bargain for something they had no part in taking.
It wasn't really a standstill, though. The Federation had apparently reconquered virtually all of their lost territory (or at least surrounded pockets of Dominion-held space where the big salient stopping at the Romulan border had been). By the time the Breen joined, the Dominion was fighting in its own territory.
It's like saying Germany after Operation Bagration in 1944 had fought the Soviets to a standstill...
Oh, and apropos of the thread title only, I loved the Breen voices. Some might disagree, but I found them hilarious.
It's like saying Germany after Operation Bagration in 1944 had fought the Soviets to a standstill...
Oh, and apropos of the thread title only, I loved the Breen voices. Some might disagree, but I found them hilarious.
Huh. Maybe I'm just misremembering the facts, then. It's been about a year and a half since I watched the episodes. I could have sworn they were about evenly matched.
And I loved the voices as well - just so very different from everything else we'd heard, since normally even the aliens were speaking English (I know why, of course, since we couldn't have major plot points revealed in Cardassian or Vorta speech without subtitles). Sorta like how we never get translations for Chewie's growls, but Han always knows what he's saying.
And I loved the voices as well - just so very different from everything else we'd heard, since normally even the aliens were speaking English (I know why, of course, since we couldn't have major plot points revealed in Cardassian or Vorta speech without subtitles). Sorta like how we never get translations for Chewie's growls, but Han always knows what he's saying.
Well, it's a more ambiguous situation than I'm selling it as, I suppose. They are, apparently, afraid of the Dominion rapidly rearming back to 2373 levels if they give them any respite... so it's reasonable to infer that the industrial base of Cardassia is essentially intact.
I hadn't considered the similarity--maybe that's why I liked it so much.
I hadn't considered the similarity--maybe that's why I liked it so much.
I actually think that would've ruled, if we could've had more than one working conlang on the show. I wouldn't do it ALL the time, but I would've LOVED to hear what the other languages sound like at least on occasion.
That's one great thing about fanfic, though--I can do that, and also provide the translation so you get the local flavor without the confusion.
I wonder how accepting people would have been if, say, all the bunker dialogue in DS9 had been done in Card/Vorta and subtitles.
They didn't seem to mind when something like half the lines in the first half of Return of the Jedi were subtitled.
They didn't seem to mind when something like half the lines in the first half of Return of the Jedi were subtitled.
I dunno if maybe it's just a sign of my nerddom, but I think that would've RULED.
That's because the scenes in Jabba's palace fitted into the universe we had seen. For the most part non-Humans spoke a different language and translation required a third party, like C-3PO. In Star Trek 95% of the time no matter where we are or who we see they are always conversing in English because the the magic universal translator.
That universal translator is the one thing that's bugged me about Treknology. 1st contact w/unknown species and the unknown species is speaking the king's and queen's english and understanding it-WTF?
Only the hated Skreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeannnnnnsssss had a prob, but just for a moment
^ Given that often these species are in or very close to the Federation it would be very easy for the Federation to periodically visit with a starship and if the species is advanced enough to have radio then all you really need is a probe and you can sample the language long before they make official contact.
Also given that everyone seems to be descendant of a single race maybe that somehow influences their language. Also given that species like the Iconians were able to visit any region in the galaxy they might have also influenced language all over the place as well so when the Federation cracked those languages they had a basis to work off. Or the more reasonable answer is that the UT is magic.
The Tamarians also gave the UT problems for over 100 years before Picard fixed it.
Also given that everyone seems to be descendant of a single race maybe that somehow influences their language. Also given that species like the Iconians were able to visit any region in the galaxy they might have also influenced language all over the place as well so when the Federation cracked those languages they had a basis to work off. Or the more reasonable answer is that the UT is magic.
The Tamarians also gave the UT problems for over 100 years before Picard fixed it.
Hearing Damar or Dukat in the original Cardassian
. All we got was Dominionese and of course Klingon.
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