Also, it's possible there was another ship that was near by that was cut from the movie and the Narada didn't engage because of how badly it was damaged.
Saw it again. Some new thoughts.
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Also, it's possible there was another ship that was near by that was cut from the movie and the Narada didn't engage because of how badly it was damaged.
Maybe the Kelvin had colonists aboard. Captain Robau said they were in the middle of nowhere, so they could have been transporting colonists or scientists to some uninhabited sector.
I thought about this, too; and I agree with the person who said we don't see all the shuttles. Some of them are off-screen. It does seem like a lot of people for a ship with one nacelle; but then again, anything would look small compared to the Narada.
In thinking of examples, Voyager, the crew becomes more than doubled when they take on the Klingon crew searching for the kuvah'magh. And Picard takes on a boat load of refugees in Up the Long Ladder.
I thought about this, too; and I agree with the person who said we don't see all the shuttles. Some of them are off-screen. It does seem like a lot of people for a ship with one nacelle; but then again, anything would look small compared to the Narada.
In thinking of examples, Voyager, the crew becomes more than doubled when they take on the Klingon crew searching for the kuvah'magh. And Picard takes on a boat load of refugees in Up the Long Ladder.
Don't know why they were there, but Captain Robau told George Kirk there was going to be no help for them way out there; so not near a space station.
maybe they were a day from a class M planet, these were warp capable shuttles after all. Not only that-they had subspace transmitters and might be able to get aid from another fleet, within less than that.
It doesn't have to all make sense, obviously 800 people escaped with their lives, and lived to tell the tale. Do I really need to hyper-analyze it? No.
Pike said it. I believe it. That's all there is to it!
maybe they were a day from a class M planet, these were warp capable shuttles after all. Not only that-they had subspace transmitters and might be able to get aid from another fleet, within less than that.
It doesn't have to all make sense, obviously 800 people escaped with their lives, and lived to tell the tale. Do I really need to hyper-analyze it? No.
Pike said it. I believe it. That's all there is to it!
Doesnt even have to be a class M planet really, just one with a breathable atmosphere. I'd be surprised if the lifeboats didnt have equipment to deal with a wide variety of environments, given they could be forced to carry out an emergency landing anywhere. They probably have Tents reinforced with Plotanium or something.
Starfleet is the Federation's only military organization. When officers are tried, it's called a court martial -- in fact, that was an episode title. When there is an interstellar war, say with the Romulans, Klingons, Borg or Dominion, what is the military organization that fights the war? That's right: Starfleet.
What's this "argued to death" business? Who could possibly argue that the Federation has a military force OTHER than Starfleet?
They could just suspend half the crew in the shuttles' transporter buffers. Scotty did it in "Relics," and Tuvok did it in "Counterpoint."
I don't understand what makes some people so sure we saw all the shuttles. The shot lasted, like, 15 seconds or something, so why would that have to have been the extent of evacuation? And why do all the shuttles have to have the same capacity as the one we saw Mrs. Kirk in? Why couldn't some of them have been considerably larger, just because it was a big ship with lots of people that would need to evacuate if something major went wrong?
Am I missing something obvious here? Could be. I hope to see it again this weekend.
Am I missing something obvious here? Could be. I hope to see it again this weekend.
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Well, there is precedent for this in alternate realities. Just look at the Mirror Universe. All the Mirror-officers had the same positions on the same starship as their counterparts in the other universe, even though their history had been completely different for centuries.
There seems to be some kind of "Fate" force in "Star Trek" keeping alternate universes aligned with one another, even when timelines are wildly different.
In "Parallels," Worf traveled through half a dozen alternate timelines before he even realized he was no longer in his own universe, because there are hundreds of timelines that are nearly identical.
You have to chop them very finely.
Militaries change.
Admiral Nelson received his first command at the ripe old age of 20.
Like Kirk, he was a Big Damn Hero.
Unlike Kirk, who is the Big Damn Hero of a fictional world, Nelson actually existed and won victories that saved Britain.
700 of the 800 people aboard the Kelvin had just been evacuated from a clown colony.
An excellent rebuttal for those who say the new movie isn't "real Trek" because it "substitutes" fate for achievement.
Quite so. And it's not like it was missing from previous iterations:
"Command of a starship is your first, best destiny."
Seriously--there are some points worthy of complaint about the new film, but "it ain't real Trek" is a laughable one. It doesn't encompass every single defining characteristic of Trek, of course, but no other episode or film ever did either.
After seven years at sea.
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