Same something nice about traditionally poorly held TOS eps

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  1. Dale Sams

    Dale Sams Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well I was surprised to see Brian was still alive.....annnnd he's gone.
     
  2. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Place to look would have been a few miles west of Griffith Park in the same range of hills, at Franklin Canyon Reservoir.

    But yeah, most likely scrapped and binned at the conclusion of filming.

    There was a historical Vasquez, tho.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiburcio_Vásquez
     
  3. Ricky Spanish

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    I hold "The Omega Glory" in pretty high regard personally. Though I know that generally it is seen as a poor episode. But, it has Morgan Woodward in it, and he hits it out of the park in both of his TOS outings.

    "We killed thousands, and they still came!"

    Though looking at that line in a vacuum, it sounds like it would come from snuff porn.
     
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    Unsupported by the documents in the Roddenberry papers. As @Harvey indicated, they planned to use the shuttlecraft right down to the wire, and would not have done so had their been such a mockup available. So, no. :)

    Yeah, the timeship looks like one of the support vehicles Jefferies sketched. I don't see how it is at odds with the Enterprise, tho, which is a flying saucer stuck to a UFO cigar and two rockets. ;)

    For those who ain't seen it, Bill George's gorgeous build of the Kellogg shuttle (link).
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  5. Commishsleer

    Commishsleer Commodore Commodore

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    I don't think "Turnabout Intruder" is as bad as everyone else does. Its good points are Spock's absolute loyalty to Kirk and having Scotty and McCoy actually backing Spock where on previous episodes they've ganged up against Spock
     
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    I dislike "Turnabout Intruder" so much I actually forgot to include it.

    I will say that Shatner really pours his soul into this. He may ham it up a ton, but he also does some very effective subtle acting. It's actually pretty awesome.

    I also like Scotty and McCoy's mutiny discussion in the corridor.
     
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  7. Dale Sams

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    Having it be a woman with a murky past with Kirk just clutters that ep up so much. Can you imagine if they brought back Finney and his daughter? And Kirk was stuck in Finneys dying body. Ultimately Finney can't let Kirk die and returns to his body.
     
  8. telerites

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    Turnabout is my least favorite episode and the only thing good I can say about it is that it came to an end.

    Somewhat related, I hadn't realized Sandra Smith was briefly married to Steve Reeves.
     
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  9. Dale Sams

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    Its got my favorite part-time trek character!! Angela....brought back for the last ep!

    Well *I* consider her Angela.
     
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    Batai Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    Spock's Brain--the panic that comes over Dr. McCoy when the "Teacher" is wearing off and he has bazillions of connections left to make. What a nightmare.
     
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    “Spock’s Brain” is fun.
     
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    I thought it was well known here that Barbara Baldavin ("Angela" or "Lieutenant Lisa") was the wife of the casting director, Joe D'Agosta (who also cast the early seasons of Desilu's Mannix and Mission: Impossible, which featured many Trek guest stars).

    "And the Children Shall Lead" has an original score by George Duning. He certainly got assigned three of the weirdest scripts that season, but produced remarkable results - perhaps less so with "Children" than the other two, because of the necessity of including "Ring Around the Rosie" multiple times, although I really like the cue where Sulu is trying to fly the ship through a tunnel of giant space knives.

    I believe his "Children" cues were reused very little that season, relative to the reuse of his "Truth/Beauty" and "Empath" cues. I'll try to keep track of all three on the H&I broadcasts, where they're showing episodes in broadcast order; last night "Day of the Dove" (the first episode of the season to reuse any music) used both of the latter two. (Both "Empath" and "Elaan of Troyius" hadn't been broadcast yet, so music written for both was first heard in "Dove" in 1968.)
     
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    Well she looks a lot different as Lt.Lisa than as Angela Martine! Younger perhaps but the Teller snag is just a left over error from the original script before they used the same actress from Balance!
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    Maybe they changed her last name in "Shore Leave" so they wouldn't have to pay a writer's royalty to Paul Schneider ("Balance of Terror") for creating the character.

    They could get away with re-using Kevin Riley because his first episode was written by a producer.
     
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    I guess it would be just too hard to ask Shatner to use another name once he already memorized their lines...
    Shore Leave, one line:
    KIRK: Rodriguez, Teller, everything all right?​
    Turnabout Intruder, two lines:
    KIRK: Lieutenant Lysa, play back those last two sentences from Mister Spock's tirade.
    KIRK: Lieutenant Lysa, inform all sectors of my decision. Have each section send a representative to the place of execution on the hangar deck. Mister Chekov, how far to the Benecia Colony?​
     
  17. Vger23

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    You know, I've never really "hated" The Way to Eden...but it certainly isn't one of my favorites.

    I like that they kit-bashed a Tholian ship with some nacelles and turned that into the Aurora. I think the performance put forward by Skip Homeier as Severin is quite excellent (in fact, the entire guest cast is pretty good). It was nice to see Chekov get some additional back story, and the ending is truly tragic.
     
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    Yeah. Why would anyone hate The Way to Eden?
     
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    The only reason I can think of is when you were in the UK in the 1980s and couldn't wait for the next issue of the Radio Times to come out just to find out what episode of Trek was on next week! You keep thinking Day of The Dove, The Enterprise Incident, The Tholian Web but you get The Way To Eden instead...! :brickwall:
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  20. Phaser Two

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    You know, when I was a kid I didn't like it - despite being sorta musical even back then - and I wasn't really sure why. Something about the hippies just really bugged me.

    Now that I'm (much) older I can look back on it and identify another flaw, which is that I don't like episodes - there are only a few - that treat Kirk as a jerk and (almost always at the same time) hold up Spock as a cultural, monument-worthy icon.

    But actually - it's really not a bad ep. Sevrin is a pretty chilling adversary. Charles Napier was *really* good as Adam. The actors playing Rad and Irina were pretty decent too. And I like Chekov so I enjoyed his subplot. There's fun Scotty moments. It's one of those surprisingly rare Sulu+Chekov episodes, and for a change we have a Romulan threat.

    On top of all that the music is really quite good. It's too bad that the ship is taken over AGAIN, but since more than one of the stowaways had Starfleet experience and Sevrin was a genius I can buy it.

    I think I'll watch this one again soon. I bet I'll prefer it to TEI (the ultimate don't-like-Kirk-Spock-is-god ep). :D
     
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