SAG-AFTRA vote to go on strike

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  1. Morpheus 02

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  2. The Nth Doctor

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    I'm in full support of this. Especially after that Deadline story where the studios said it was a "necessary evil" to force the writers out of their homes before even getting into negotiations with them again.

    And then we find about how studios want to completely screw over background actors by scanning their faces for a single day of pay and then use their images forever without pay.

    Fuck.

    All.

    Of.

    That.

    Shit.

    Tear them down. Unions united.

    Us viewers can wait until fair and proper deals are finally made for all involved.
     
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    I can finally get caught up on everything I want to watch at this point. This will kill some of your favorite underperforming shows, though. So don't be surprised.
     
  5. Happy Hopping

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  6. The Nth Doctor

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    It's not about the big actors. They represent a small percentage of the Guild.

    This is about the countless other actors who are just trying to make a career.

    Or even established actors like Djimon Hounsou who still struggles to make a living despite multiple franchises under his belt.

    This is about the studios wanting to use AI to replace actors (and writers!).

    And you're seriously going with what billionaire Bob Iger has to say about the strike? He's whining about the disruption of production.

    Disruption is the point.
     
  7. Happy Hopping

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    Djimon Hounsou is just 1 actor. You can't use 1 person to make an e.g. of over 100K SAG actor / actress. If there is a pay raise, then doesn't all actor / actress, including people like Emily Blunt gets a raise?

    How can you use AI to replace actors? The CGI quality is nowhere near a real person. And if AI is NOT use to replace writer, and they hire real writer, how do you think those real writer does? They use AI and hand in their script

    an average household makes $65K per yr., any actors make more than that. So they are already doing much better than an average American family.
     
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    You can't use one actor as an example they say, citing Emily Blunt as one example...

    Queen Mary University of London did a study in 2019 that showed only around 2% of actors can actually make a living solely from acting and that the unemployment rate for actors hovers at around 90%.

    Even if you can argue that AI isn't good enough to replace an actor now, the studios are betting that one day soon it will be, so yeah get paid $200 for one day's work on one show/film and then see yourself on screen for years to come with NO additional pay. Fuck. That.

    Saw an interesting Tweet last night from @OliviaHungers a young actor whose only credit so far is an episode of Picard (she was in two but only credited for one) and she makes a good point about how expensive it is to even pursue your dream of being an actor and she, like the majority it seems, has to have other work.

    As Matt Damon said, this isn't about people like him and Blunt, it's about those on the margins who don't even earn enough to get health insurance, and it seems like those on the margins are oddly the majority.
     
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    No they don't, the average actor makes significantly less than that, most actors are poor and they're only getting poorer with how they're treated currently.

    But I have a feeling you know that and are just trolling.
     
  10. Happy Hopping

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    So are they talking about the C list or the D list? because actors on the A list obviously makes millions. You people use [SIZE=6]Djimon Hounsou as an eg.
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005023/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_5_nm_3_q_djimon

    take a look, he has movies out every yr., you are telling him he doesn't make money more than an average household?

    because it says here, his networth is $4M. Most people can retire for $500K.

    https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/djimon-hounsou-net-worth/[/SIZE]
     
  11. Serveaux

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    They're talking about most actors.

    Most.

    Most.

    Okay?
     
  12. Snaploud

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    No. The union contracts negotiate pay minimums and would not affect A-tier actor pay negotiations.
     
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    A realistic figure for retiring in the US is about $3 to $5 million. A majority of Americans will never see this much money in their lives. So, they will work until they die.

    What is happening with the SAG is part of a larger picture where corporations and the very wealthy want to reverse the clock back almost a century and where a large majority of the US is poor and desperate while a small minority are doing very well.
     
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    So am I. The studios are greedy and full of hubris.

    Exactly. We can wait until they get a fair deal.

    Bingo. They want to continue things as is and roll things back.
     
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    Got an axe to grind with Emily Blunt, do you?

    Hollywood can't function on just the A-Listers alone, they need the actors who make a living in support roles just as much as they need the leading men and women. And those actors need money to make a living, which is the goal of this strike, to make sure those actors can still get stable and secure work.
    Maybe not yet, but it could in as little as five to ten years. Best for the actors to protect their job security now than it would be to wait until the CG is that good and the Suits can just shrug and say "whatever, we got your digital doppelganger."
    Problem is, the average actor also has greater financial needs than the average Joe or Jane. As was already covered with the writers strike, these people need to live in places where it's hella more expensive to live than where ordinary citizens live. And with actors at the moment, unless you are an A Lister you're more or less Shit Outta Luck. This strike is so the "ordinary" actors can meet basic financial survival needs doing their chosen profession in a place where the cost of living is extremely high.
     
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    And their concern was justified, as chief negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland laid bare the AMPTP’s so-called “groundbreaking AI proposal,” which holds the potential to wipe out an entire pathway to breaking into the industry, as well as a reliable source of income for many. The reported proposal hinged on the ability for background actors to be “scanned, get paid for one day’s pay” and for that company to “own that scan of their image, their likeness, and to be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation.”

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/striking-sag-actors-disbelief-over-235053353.html

    According to a recent Deadline report, the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers (AMPTP) is in the strike for the long haul—with a plan to let the Writers Guild of America (WGA) “bleed out” before resuming negotiations. “The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses,” one source told the trade.

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    Per Deadline, the AMPTP is willing to wait until it feels that the writers are cash-strapped and more willing to compromise on their demands. “The studios and the AMPTP believe that by October most writers will be running out of money after five months on the picket lines and no work,” reads the Deadline report. “The studios and streamers feel they would be in a position to dictate most of the terms of any possible deal.” An insider called the strategy “a cruel but necessary evil.”

    https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...ike-til-writers-start-losing-their-apartments
     
  18. Morpheus 02

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    So it's just @Happy Hopping who doesn't understand that this is like if we raise the minimum wage -- it mainly affects the LOWEST paid workers, and doesn't really affect the big money makers (other than the studios can't do a one shot to pay for their likeness and use AI in the future, unless the actor specifically signs up for that)?

    Now, does the actors strike mainly affect just the US, or are other countries involved. For example, would it affect the Korean Drama industry?

    And even if it did, couldn't Netflix and other streamers (or even networks) shop around and buy OLD shows. I mean, Korea has had some magnificent dramas from the past 20 years that still look like modern production values (as opposed, to say, TV from the 70's).

    or even old US shows... Manifest got breathed in whole new life (and a new season) when it appeared on Netflix, after its run on NBC (and Peacock somehow missed it)..
     
  19. fireproof78

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    Yup. There is nothing Hollywood produces that I can't wait for.

    Best of luck to the guilds and their negotiations.
     
  20. Serveaux

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    This is an iffy figure that can be calculated a number of different ways. I'm retired with considerably less total wealth than that and thus far living pretty well in a very expensive area of the country.
     
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