Sabalom Glitz

[Sindatur]

Nothing about the Time War/Time Lords' extinction makes the slightest bit of sense. If the Time Lords are cut off from all points in history, none of the classic series could have happened. But it has - how? There is no explanation, because it's a load of nonsensical crap. I don't know why other people can't see it.

Clearly, there are only two possible solutions.

1. Everything from the old series and series 1-4 of the current series never happened.

or

2. You're taking things far to seriously and you should just stop watching.

No, and no.

The Time Lords have already done everything they had already done when they were Time Locked. The Time Lock didn't erase their actions, it locked them away from having any further impact on anything, but, everything they had done before they were Time Locked (wether 10 Billion years from our Now, or 5 10 Billion years ago from our now). It affected them, no what they've done. Time Lords aren't linear in time, so their linear actions are unchanged by their non-linear disappearance

 

[EJA]

Clearly, there are only two possible solutions.

1. Everything from the old series and series 1-4 of the current series never happened.

or

2. You're taking things far to seriously and you should just stop watching.

No, and no.

1. is YOUR idea! You were the one suggesting that in another thread!

Yes, but I hate it. I want what's gone before to remain perfectly valid....but sometimes it seems it can't.

Clearly, there are only two possible solutions.

1. Everything from the old series and series 1-4 of the current series never happened.

or

2. You're taking things far to seriously and you should just stop watching.

No, and no.

The Time Lords have already done everything they had already done when they were Time Locked. The Time Lock didn't erase their actions, it locked them away from having any further impact on anything, but, everything they had done before they were Time Locked (wether 10 Billion years from our Now, or 5 10 Billion years ago from our now). It affected them, no what they've done. Time Lords aren't linear in time, so their linear actions are unchanged by their non-linear disapeparance

That still doesn't explain how just about everyone in the Whoniverse considers the Time Lords to be gone forever, no matter what era they're in, and how they recognise the current Doctor as the one who fought the Time War when, for all they know, he could be an incarnation who hasn't done all that yet.

 

[Professor Zoom]

No, and no.

1. is YOUR idea! You were the one suggesting that in another thread!

Yes, but I hate it. I want what's gone before to remain perfectly valid....but sometimes it seems it can't.

WHY NOT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

No, and no.

The Time Lords have already done everything they had already done when they were Time Locked. The Time Lock didn't erase their actions, it locked them away from having any further impact on anything, but, everything they had done before they were Time Locked (wether 10 Billion years from our Now, or 5 10 Billion years ago from our now). It affected them, no what they've done. Time Lords aren't linear in time, so their linear actions are unchanged by their non-linear disapeparance

That still doesn't explain how just about everyone in the Whoniverse considers the Time Lords to be gone forever, no matter what era they're in, and how they recognise the current Doctor as the one who fought the Time War when, for all they know, he could be an incarnation who hasn't done all that yet.

Because no one has seen a Time Lord in a "long time," they have fallen into myth for some.

You keep looking at a fictional show in a LINEAR sense.

 

[Admiral_Young]

EJA I would love to get you in a room with either RTD or Steven Moffat for an hour just for you to air your concerns about continuity with them. I doubt either man's responses would satisfy you.

I think that as usual you're taking things way too literal. I don't understand why you can't accept the fact that both Classic Who and Current Who (I refuse to call it new Who now, it's not new anymore) can't co-exist peaceful. The Time Lord's in the present as Professor Zoom so eloquently stated have become near mythical beings post-Time War. Lesser beings were barely aware that a Time War was fought. It is the equivalent of us now being told that there is an alien war going on in our solar system. But because of our lack of technology we can't perceive it.

 

[Starkers]

Of course the big question about Sabalom Glitz is...

How long did it take him to sell Mel into slavery? Less than an hour, less than a minute?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Of course the big question about Sabalom Glitz is...

How long did it take him to sell Mel into slavery? Less than an hour, less than a minute?

I think it would take longer, who the hell would BUY her?

 

[Starkers]

Depends how much? She's a redhead though so I'm biased in favour...

 

[Sindatur]

Of course the big question about Sabalom Glitz is...

How long did it take him to sell Mel into slavery? Less than an hour, less than a minute?

I think it would take longer, who the hell would BUY her?

Put a gag on her, no one will know what she sounds like, unlike after the purchase is made.

I actually quite enjoyed her in the Dr Who Unbound Audio Play, though maybe that's more down to the ending of the story, then anything else, LOL

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ LOL.

 

[diankra]

^Oh, and don't say it's because history has changed, because if that was the case, neither Jo Grant nor Sarah Jane would remember the Doctor, would they?

History on Dr. Who have changed in the past without affecting either Sarah or Jo's memories. The Doctor's been reminded several times over that he should either be in a museum or extinct.

The fact no one ever reacts that way towards him in the classic series is important.

Yes. In the sense that the Time War hadn't happened in seasons 1 to 26, and the Time Lords weren't 'extinct' then.
Depite speculations back in 2005, there's nothing to suggest that the Time Lords have been entirely wiped from history. Individual actions they took may well have been, with resulting changes to history, but not their entire existence.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I'd buy her.

She kicked the Valeyards ass in Unbound and it was awesome.

And how hilarious is that she wound up as Davors' handmaiden?

Or that the core of Dalek technology must be written in C++ programming?

 

[Professor Zoom]

Depends how much? She's a redhead though so I'm biased in favour...

...and screamers I assume....

 

[Admiral_Young]

The Time Lords and Gallifrey are time-locked. They're not totally gone. I suppose if Moffat wanted to bring them back again he could very well do so. The fact that they're time-locked though brings up an interesting question...why does the Doctor still feel guilty about the Time War? The Daleks clearly have survived, and he's seen his people back again. He knows where they are. They're gone but not dead.

 

[Skellington]

^ The ones from The End Of Time are destined to die later that day. Whether this is as a consequence of the time lock is a moot point.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ LOL. I'm stupid. Of course. Over thinking things again.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Sabalom Glitz, isn't he that Dalek killer guy?

Or that the core of Dalek technology must be written in C++ programming?

Surely that'd be the case, I can't think of a better language for the task.

 

[DWF]

The Time Lords and Gallifrey are time-locked. They're not totally gone. I suppose if Moffat wanted to bring them back again he could very well do so. The fact that they're time-locked though brings up an interesting question...why does the Doctor still feel guilty about the Time War? The Daleks clearly have survived, and he's seen his people back again. He knows where they are. They're gone but not dead.

Gallifrey was also destroy and the Doctor destroyed the Dalek at the same time so there's still something for him to feel guilty about.

The Doctor: You think it'll last forever: people and cars and concrete. But it won't. One day it's all gone. Even the sky. [long pause] My planet's gone. It's dead. It burned, like the Earth. It's just rocks and dust. Before its time.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ Yeah as I pointed out I'm stupid and was over thinking things when I posted what I did. Completely forgot that it was the last day of the Time War when they brought themselves back. LOL.

 

[DWF]

^ Yeah as I pointed out I'm stupid and was over thinking things when I posted what I did. Completely forgot that it was the last day of the Time War when they brought themselves back. LOL.

The Silence seems to working people are forgetting.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ The Silence combined with the time crack