Does anyone hear remember the character of Sabalom Glitz from the Sixth Doctor's Trial of a Time Lord story, and the Seventh's Dragonfire? He was a native of the year 2,000,000 AD, and in the stories he's in, the Time Lords were still very much an intergalactic power (They devastated Earth when the Sleepers fled there after stealing things from the Matrix on Gallifrey). Now seeing as how in the new series, just about everyone in all time zones considers the Time Lords to be extinct and a thing of the past (e.g. Mr Finch in School Reunion, the Sontarans in The Sontaran Stratagem/The Poison Sky), if the Eleventh Doctor went to pay a visit to Glitz, would Glitz also somehow miraculously know that Gallifrey is gone and the Doctor's the last of his kind? Would he still have experienced the events of the earlier stories?
Sabalom Glitz
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It really depends on how adaptive his mind is to the changing timeline.
Whether he would remember many histories or just be overcome by each rendition of time.
However he could still be thriving inside the timelock where the timelords and the daleks never disappeared? Is the Entire universe inside the timelock, or just a little bit of space?
I have a theory about why Mel dumped 7 for Sabalom.
7 was too skinny.
She's a chubby chaser.
Whether he would remember many histories or just be overcome by each rendition of time.
However he could still be thriving inside the timelock where the timelords and the daleks never disappeared? Is the Entire universe inside the timelock, or just a little bit of space?
I have a theory about why Mel dumped 7 for Sabalom.
7 was too skinny.
She's a chubby chaser.
Did this really need a separate thread of it's own? You could have included this in the Time Crack thread EJA since this seems like another attempt of yours to say that the Crack has some how rendered Classic Who irrelevant. I'm inclined to agree with either of the proposals Guy has put forth (except for the Mel theory 
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)If all of the classic series is inside the time-lock, that would include people like Sarah Jane, Jo Grant, etc, etc, as they were part of the universe where the Time Lords were around (unless Earth is somehow excluded from the time-lock, so everyone living here still remembers their encounters with the Time Lords).
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Did this really need a separate thread of it's own? You could have included this in the Time Crack thread EJA since this seems like another attempt of yours to say that the Crack has some how rendered Classic Who irrelevant. I'm inclined to agree with either of the proposals Guy has put forth (except for the Mel theory
I'd imagine that it does. This is actually about the Time War, not Moffat's plot.
Anyhoo, I'd say that he'd likely remember, simply for the fact that he worked with the Doctor and the Master, and is thus likely a time traveler (who tend to be able to remember unaltered time) or at least spent enough time in proximity to a TARDIS to be affected like a time traveler.
Again, where is this forgetting coming from? There's no evidence of anyone forgetting Timelords or Gallifrey. The Gallifreyans are/were merely locked in a prison of time, nothing has been undone or forgotten, they just aren't reachable and won't be doing anything new to affect the galaxy (Anything they've already done 10 Billion years in our future or 5 years in our past has still been done)
Would Sabalom Glitz really care what the Time Lords were or were not up to if it didn't affect him? I imagine he'd be too busy being a rascal to notice.
The fact that the Time Lords are all dead in all time zones suggests the new series is in an alternate timeline. However, the presense of classic elements like the Doctor's time as UNIT's scientific advisor suggests that it's the same. This is a MAJOR narrative discrepancy. You can't really say that something is "before" or "after" the Time War, because the War was fought across all of time and space: Past, present, and future. And how the hell do the Doctor's enemies in the new series always know that this is the Doctor who survived the War? He's a time traveller. For all they know, they could be talking to a version of the Doctor who hasn't experienced those events yet in his personal timeline. And yet somehow, miraculously, they know. Is there a wall somewhere in the universe with photos of all the Doctor's incarnations stuck up on it, with 1 to 8 labelled "Before the Time War - please don't tell him he's killed all his own people!!", and all those from 9 onwards labelled "Post-Time War. Rub it in the bastard's face!!"
Indeed. In 2005's The End Of The World, when Nine takes Rose to the (new?) end of the world, the tree lady Jabe asks her PDA about the Doctor and then claims that his presence there should be impossible. This would appear to be NuWho's first hint that the Time Lords have not just died but somehow been sequestered from history, existing mainly as stories.
Nothing about the Time War/Time Lords' extinction makes the slightest bit of sense. If the Time Lords are cut off from all points in history, none of the classic series could have happened. But it has - how? There is no explanation, because it's a load of nonsensical crap. I don't know why other people can't see it.
All I know is that the only person from OldWho I'd rather not see is Drax.
It doesn't make any difference what the guy remembers or doesn't remember, as long as the writers keep him off of my TV. Please.
It doesn't make any difference what the guy remembers or doesn't remember, as long as the writers keep him off of my TV. Please.
No, and no.
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